Wednesday, February 3, 2010

Brain Washing Effect









Weasel words are phrases that are evasive, ambiguous or misleading
Weasel words


" Propaganda must always be essentially simple and repetitious. "

"The term mind control, also referred to as “brainwashing,” “coercive persuasion,” “thought reform,” and the “systematic manipulation of psychological and social influence”, refers to "a process in which a group or individual systematically uses unethically manipulative methods to persuade others to conform to the wishes of the manipulator(s), often to the detriment of the person being manipulated ....... broad ranges of psychological tactics seen as subverting individuals' sense of control over their own thinking, behavior, emotions, or decision making." Mind control

187 comments:

Chloe said...

Politicians, Media, Advertising - you name it, someone's always trying to sell us something.

Sometimes it's just people wanting to belong, and to do that, they'll agree with anything. Can't really hold that against them (at least I don't), but it's hard to believe anyone would 'choose' to live their life like that.

In my opinion, the most important thing in the world to remember is that we 'always' have choices, and to deny that is to refuse to take responsibility for our own life.

jan said...

Carol, you will appreciate this. There is a Doc here at the School of Medicine, Univ of NM who has lost his medical license and been suspended from his duties at the SOM and univ Hosp. (He had a VP position). He is a single guy who was involved with a female psychiatrist (also a faculty in SOM). It seems he prescribed some anti depressants and anti anxiety meds for her during their relationship. The deal is that someone with prescriptive privaleges is barred from prescribing for family or someone with whom they are involved in an intimate relationship. Apparently, the woman filed a suit against him. It sounds like a romantic relationship gone bad. In a way I feel sorry for the guy. But he should have known better.

jan said...

I had posted this comment at the end of the last post - not realizing there was a new post. So you are going to see it twice if you go back. I do that a lot - go back and read old comments on previous posts and forget and comment there - and of course - everyone else has moved on - and I am left behind - the story of my life (at times).

jan said...

Mary, You have really had some serious surgery. Do you have problems going through security at airports? Do you take something to build your bones up?

jan said...

Chloe, interesting post. Reminds me of the credit card companies and the small print that it has been determined by experts that no one can understand. John says the credit card companies have people "by the balls" You have to have one in order to rent a car, get a motel room, etc. but many people use them for everyday things and get into trouble.

jan said...

Jargon used by businesses, medicine, law, & the Government is made up essentially of "weasel words" if I am understanding the post.

Chloe said...

"Jargon used by businesses, medicine, law, & the Government is made up essentially of "weasel words""

Jan, i agree. And that's just to name a few. And I comprehend 'weasel words' in the same way you do. Have you ever seen a politician that wasn't evasive, ambiguous or misleading? But not just politicians. Many who want to sell you something is the same way.

The only reason I started thinking about it (aside from our last post almost reaching it's comment limit) is because of Carol's pod post, and her mentioning the systematic brain washing of our population. She's right.

What you said about credit cards is so true also. The best thing that's happened in a long time though, are the bank account debit cards. You can use them like a credit card now, to rent cars and rooms, etc.

Chloe said...

Carol, Can't you complain about having to care for your 400lb quadriplegic, with your limited resources (after all, you said yourself that you're just a clinic - seems to me he should be wardens responsibility)? Can you insist that he be sent over to the hospital?

(ha! I realize he was the wardens responsibility, and he passed that responsibility onto you)

Chloe said...

Mary, Why did you have to have all that work done on your neck and back? Did you have an accident, or was it from normal wear and tear?

I can't even imagine the pain you must have gone through. Neck and back problems can be a huge annoyance. My back's never bothered me, but my neck sure has. But I can't complain, because it's no more than a discomfort (so far).

Chloe said...

Oooh, Mary. I just remembered your family is arriving today. I hope you all have a nice visit and a great time today. Can't wait to see if you're going to have a granddaughter or a grandson. (I assume they already know it's not twins - but, after all, twins to run in your family. :)

jan said...

Mary, I too want to add my best wishes on your visit with you son and DIL. Keep us posted on your soon to be grandbaby. Have a wonderful visit with them. Are you taking off work?

jan said...

Chloe, we have had some car rental places reject our bank debit/credit cards. I have a regular credit card as a stand by.

Ivy Green said...

Speaking of twins, I just have to share this story about my brothers last week. My sister-in-law and I were "listening in" on a telephone conversation between her husband (my brother) and his twin. It was being broadcast on speaker phone, so it was hard to not hear. Anyway, there was a lot of "dead air" on the phone...i.e., neither one saying anything, just keeping the phone line open. My sister-in-law says to me, "They do this every day...just get on the phone and not say anything."
We laughed, and then she yells out, "Hon, TALK to your brother!"
He replies, "I am."
She rolls her eyes and calls out into the speaker to the twin,"Do you understand what your brother is saying (i.e. "not saying")?"
There's a momentary pause before we hear him reply, "Yeah."

I 'spose you had to be there to see how amusing it was. I see evidence of the mind connection they have with one another...their own way of communicating that no one else transcends. I have seen them practicing it their whole lives (I'm the eldest). There's a beauty to it that's awesome. Don't we each yearn to be intuitively understood?

:)

jan said...

Ivy, delightful comment about your brothers and their communication. How true that we "yearn to be intuitively understood." Are they identical twins?

jan said...

Carol and Mary, do you have this kind of communication that Ivy's twin brothers have? I know you two are fraternal twins.

John and I definitely have (on some occasions) intuitive communication. There are times we are riding in the car and he will say something about someone or an event and I swear I have been thinking about that person or event. He says the same thing happens to him.

Ivy Green said...

Hey, Jan. Yes, my brothers are "mirror image identical twins." From one egg that split in two, and yet one is left-handed and the other is right-handed; one is introverted and the other is extroverted. Strange but true.

Ivy Green said...

My sister-in-law also has sisters who are identical twins. We are all waiting to see which of their four daughters are going to have twins. My great-grandfather on my fathers side was an identical twin, and great-aunts on my mother's side were identical twins. We have them all over the family tree on both sides.

Chloe said...

"Don't we each yearn to be intuitively understood?"

Yes, Ivy! We do.
When I read your recollection of your twin brothers phone call, I thought how unusually close they must be. It is so cool that they can talk without saying much of anything. It must be the most wonderful feeling to be that close to each other.

.... and this: "Yes, my brothers are "mirror image identical twins."

Now that adds new meaning to the expression: You complete me. I just love it.

Chloe said...

The L.A. Times does such a good job telling these little stories. It's what I've always liked best about the paper - it can be so personable:

A love story turned mystery
"After 60 years apart, a couple reunite and wed. But their time together is suddenly, inexplicably, cut short." Mystery


.... I already have my theory.

Chloe said...

... and this is just plain sad, and reminds me why I hate having our soldiers in these countries. It's sad that children are so often involved in the horrible things that go on over there.

Pakistan – " A roadside bomb killed three U.S. soldiers and partly destroyed a girls' school in northwest Pakistan on Wednesday in an attack that drew attention to a little-publicized American military training mission in the al-Qaida and Taliban heartland.

They were the first known U.S. military fatalities in Pakistan's lawless tribal regions near the Afghan border and a major victory for militants who have been hit hard by a surge of U.S. missile strikes and a major Pakistani army offensive.

The blast also killed three schoolgirls and a Pakistani soldier who was traveling with the Americans. Two more U.S. soldiers were wounded, along with more than 70 other people, mostly students at the school, officials said." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100203/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan

Chloe said...

Don, I hope you'll let us know when you've arrived home safely - at least I 'think' you're on your way home.

Chloe said...

... and Solar and Coreen, I guess, in order to visit with you two, I'll have to go back to read yesterdays comments. :)

Carol said...

Yep, gotta be careful, because when you least expect it, someone has slipped in the backdoor of your brain. The right has been very effective with their programming by repeating the same phases over and over and using words that are powerful like DEATH panels and DEATH taxes and WAR on TERROR, etc. The use of these words is no accident, IMO.

I know some of you don't like these comedy news programs but they really help to point out how crazy it all is, in a humorous way. Even after seeing and hearing things in the MSM, I've had more ah ha moments watching Colbert and Stewart.

jan said...

Chloe, interesting LA Times story about the couple reunited. what is your theory. His daughters stood to benefit.

How very sad about the US servicemen and school girls. The book, 3 Cups of Tea is about the man (Greg Morrison) who is building schools for girls in Pakistant.

jan said...

Ivy, so many identical twins in your family. How delightful. That is so interesting about your brothers- that they are mirror images of each other and one is left handed and the other right handed.

jan said...

I love reading research studies involving identical twins. When raised apart, it turns out they often buy the same brand of car and have the same occupation/profession as well as other similarities. Researchers and movie/TV love identical twins. A student in one of my courses has identical twin boys and they have been in several movies here.

Coreen said...

Mary, Enjoy your family's visit...

Jan, Glad to see you are back...

Here's something that may be of interest to some of you.

I confess to know virtually nothing about science, medical procedures, et al, but thought this book may be of some interest to those of you in the medical profession.

A review of this book in today's NYT,
'The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks' by Rebecca Skloot

"Bought & sold & shipped around the world for decades, HeLa cells are famous to science students everywhere. But little has been known, until now, about the unwitting donor of these cells."

A Woman's undying gift to science

Carol said...

Jan, getting "left behind" is what we call "snipe hunting" on a blog. We talked about that before in earlier posts.

And no, it's not the same with fraternal twins as it is with identical twins. Fraternal twins are just two siblings who happen to have shared a womb and were born at the same time. They have the same personality differences as any other regular siblings have.

Carol said...

Interesting Coreen. I've never heard of HeLa cells.

Coreen said...

Successful marketing of an idea... for the Republicans think Frank Luntz...focus groups...popularized the phrase 'death taxes' for 'estate taxes'...successfully so far.

Coreen said...

Carol, would have thought that with your background, education, etc., you would have run across the subject matter of this new book...

Fascinating how medical research occurs.

Coreen said...

Speaking of the use of words, pictures to sell
an idea, product, etc., still time to vote for
your favorite Super Bowl Commercial....CBS show tonite at 8 p.m.

There's a couple I like, but always go with the
Clydesdales.....


Super Bowl Commercials

Carol said...

That was a happy and sad story about the couple who found each other after all those years Chloe. I wonder if they are still investigating. I know who I'd be looking at but we don't have all the facts.

Good news, our big boy, got into court today, pleaded quilty, was sentenced and was whipped away to a state facility that had a hospital. Never seen anything like that kind of speed in the judicial system, ever! And that was fortunate for everyone involved. And, the Warden was no happier about the arrangement than we were. It was just the last straw. Often people charged with crimes use their serious health problems to avoid prosecution. His luck had run out.

Also, you can't keep a prisoner in the hospital unless the prisoner meets the criteria for hospitalization and even with everything he had going on, and you don't know the half of it, he didn't meet that critera. It helped that the security staff had to be involved in his care. We needed their muscle. When the securtiy staff is put out, things move much faster.

Carol said...

I love the commercials Coreen and usually that is the only reason I will watch the Super Bowl. But not this year!

Sheriff declared Friday, All Saints Day and the non-security staff can wear our Saint's garb to work.

And Coreen, what might have encouraged big boy to plead quilty today is that I reminded him yesterday he wouldn't be able to watch the Super Bowl Sunday where he was at. He probably will be able to where he is going.

Coreen said...

Carol, Just glad that 'big weight' was lifted from your shoulders.

While I'm thinking about it. Isn't there a difference between a 'jail' & 'prison, for some
reason, I remember there is, but not sure what
the difference is.

Always like the Clydesdale ads, I think it was
last year's super bowl with the Clydesdale, the dalmation & the Rocky theme, I really liked that one....

As far as Chloe's mystery, they need to call in a CSI team, maybe all 3---Miami, NY, Vegas & if they find a body...Bones can take over...

If you wear your Saint's colors, take a pic to
put up on a superbowl post, if you want one....If I had some Saints' colors, I'd put them on in your honor.....

Carol said...

Speaking of weasel words, a few things that I can't decifer are, that darn IRS booklet, an At&t land line phone bill, and any legal document. Oh, also any financial investment stuff. My eyes are open and moving over the words but the meaning of the words will not register in my brain. I keep getting an error message.

Coreen said...

And Carol, how about a group pic of everyone in their Saints colors at work....

jan said...

Coreen, I was curious about your link above on Henrietta Lacks AKA HeLa- and found this article on the internet. Although biology was one of my favorite topics in school, I had never heard of this phenomenon. I read this article below and am blown away by it. Thanks
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v22/n08/anne-enright/whats-left-of-henrietta-lacks

Ivy Green said...

The Henrietta Lacks story is very compelling.

Coreen said...

Jan,

I was reading the NYT today & saw the book review & thought how strange. Thought it might
be of interest to you guys, since as I said,
I am absolutely unfamiliar with such topics.

Ivy Green said...

The author of the Henrietta Lacks story, Rebecca Skloot, has a Wiki that linked me to an article she wrote about her dog getting mauled by a pack of wild dogs in New York City. The story is a few years old, but there are currently posted comments with people telling their own similar stories. In light of yesterdays item about wild beagles, I thought it was timely. Seems New York has a do-nothing approach to vicious dogs. Heart-wrenching and outraging for all dogs lovers.

When Pets Attack

Coreen said...

With the recent talk about antidepressents &
depression, could not resist this...but I will preface posting it by saying I find the 'study' to be dubious at best...& fyi,I am one of the 90% of the population that has not taken antidepressents at any time...

Internet addiction linked to depression, says study

thornwil said...

Jan,
Surprisingly I don't set off any alarms at airports. Evidently titanium doesn't set off the alarms. I am using Forteo injections now to build bones. I give myself an injection in the abdomen every night.

Chloe,
I think the problems with my back and neck were due to an accumulation of things--normal wear and tear, serious accidents and working as a nurse having to lift on heavy patients. None of those things may have been bad if it weren't for the severe osteoporosis.

Yes, I'm very excited about the kids coming in. They're flying into Houston and driving here so they probably won't get here until about 10:30 or 11:00 tonight. I hope they don't have to drive through alot of rain. I'll be off tomorrow and Saturday but I have to work Friday and then they'll be leaving Sunday. I wish they could stay longer but I'll take whatever I can get.

Carol said...

Coreen, here's the celebrities picks for the Super Bowl. I didn't count but it looks like more are picking the Colts but what do they know?

Celebrity Picks for the Super Bowl

Ivy Green said...

Chloe,
After combing the farthest recesses of her bookshelf, my friend located her falling-apart copy of "The Art of Selfishness" by David Seabury. It is a yellowing paperback (held together by a rubber band) with a cover price of $1.25. Bound into the center are two advertisements for Kent and Kent Menthol cigarettes (with the famous Micronite filters.) That's how they used to brainwash us. Ah, the memories.

Ivy Green said...

I'm looking forward to reading the book, btw. lol

Coreen said...

Not even sure who most of those celebs are, and what do they know...

Not to worry, here's the real deal.

Electronic Arts run a Super Bowl simulation in their Madden NFL and 5 out of the last 6 years, the game's results predicted the winner (except for the NYGiants over Pats) & this year it predicts a'close' Saints victory 35-31

Saints win Super Bowl, says Madden NFL

Chloe said...

"After combing the farthest recesses of her bookshelf, my friend located her falling-apart copy of "The Art of Selfishness" by David Seabury. It is a yellowing paperback (held together by a rubber band) with a cover price of $1.25. Bound into the center are two advertisements for Kent and Kent Menthol cigarettes (with the famous Micronite filters.) That's how they used to brainwash us. Ah, the memories."

Ivy, I just love the way you said all of that - you should be a writer yourself. I told you it was a lonnnnnng time ago that I read it, and I wasn't kidding. It was written many years before I even read it too. Check out the original copyright date (I think it was in the 40s maybe). Very dated, but it had a lasting impression on me (came at a time when I needed to hear it).

So funny that you found evidence of brainwashing from the past. I knew there was proof somewhere. Synchronicity Ivy!

Coreen said...

And who's the cat's meow...gotta be dem Saints

Last year the felines at Cat Adoption Team predicted the Steelers to win Super Bowl, this
year 4 cats had 2 bowls of food, blue (Colts) &
black (Saints)....

Check out the video & see who they unanimously selected....


Saints or Colts? Cats pick Super Bowl winner

Chloe said...

Jan, Regarding that L.A. Times story, I think the family was involved. Greed is so unbelievably ugly, and I hope I'm wrong. The story of his son-in-law being there earlier just feels all wrong. Those HomeDepot receipts he had mean nothing to me, since that could be part of a planned alibi. I just have to believe it's the family, because, like you said, they had the most to lose. If it was them, I sure hope they are caught.

It's so disgusting what some people will do for money.

Chloe said...

Mary, Even if your son and daughter-in-law can't stay long, it sounds like you've planned it so well, that you all will have plenty of time to catch up on things, and discuss the future. Important things, about them becoming first time parents and you becoming a grandma. That baby will be here before you know it Mary, so keep that plane ticket your son gave you handy.

The ultrasound is going to be such a great experience for all of you, and the surprise party you've arranged will give you all a good chance to celebrate. Birth's have a wonderful way of bonding a family, and this visit will give you all a chance to make plans. Enjoy!

Chloe said...

Carol, Glad to hear you solved your 400 lb. problem. That was quick. Just goes to show you, there's nothing you can't do, soul sister. (Have you ever heard that 'Soul Sister' song? I'll link it tomorrow).

See you all tomorrow.

Carol said...

Do you think someone put extra tuna in the black bowl Coreen?

Carol said...

I hope Madden NFL and the Cats are right.

I hope the trend for things to come out alright, even though they looked pretty bad at times, this week holds out thru Sunday.

Coreen said...

Carol

Remember what I told you way back when...you gotta believe....

Did you watch the commercials, I missed the #1...Was it the streaker...

I still think the mean joe green coke ad was the best...

Carol said...

Chloe, I had nothing to do with that 400 lb. problem coming out alright even though I was praying it would. That outcome was beyond good luck.

My financial advisor at the bank was sooo nice and helpful yesterday. I thinks she feels bad about what happened to me even though she had nothing to do with it. She has put up with my, I hate all banks and am looking for a good can to put my money in, talk when I go to see her. She was probably so happy to see that I didn't have that, who can I kill, look in my eyes yesterday. I was too beaten down, after the rest of the day, to give it to her.

Then I came home and my laptop rose from the dead. A very bad day ended up turning out pretty good.

thornwil said...

Chloe,
Thank you for your vote of confidence. I so want them to have a nice visit. They've been stuck in all that cold weather and it should be nice here, at least the week-end should. I guess I better get moving because I still have some work to do before they get here and they've already landed and probably on the road now.

Ivy Green said...

Chloe,
Thank you for those compliments and for appreciating my meager contributions. I am content to be an aspiring writer. lol

The earliest copyright on "The Art of Selfishness" is 1937. Were Seabury's ideas ahead of their time?
Dale Carngie's book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" was first published in 1936. It's still going strong. "One of the core ideas in his books is that it is possible to change other people's behavior by changing one's reaction to them" (Wiki).
It seems that era was the dawn of the self-help genre. Is that a form of brain-washing? What issues were people grappling with in those days that made these books best-sellers?

thornwil said...

And speaking of cold weather, where is the Solar man?? Has he checked in??

Carol said...

Ivy, similar concepts were covered in a book I read in grad school titled, Man the Manipulator. Ever heard of that one.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Haven't heard about that book? Did you like it? What does it say?

Ivy Green said...

"Our fatigue is often caused not by work, but by worry, frustration and resentment."

~ Dale Carnegie

Ivy Green said...

"Feeling sorry for yourself, and your present condition, is not only a waste of energy but the worst habit you could possibly have."

~ Dale Carnegie

thornwil said...

Amen to that one, truer words were never said.

Carol said...

Published in the late 60s and I read it in the 70s. I think Jan turned me on to that one and she might remember more of it than me. Author Everette Shostrom. Put manipulators in different categories.

I find that some of the best manipulation comes from people who don't realize they are doing it. Those really nice people or passive aggressives. Hard to fight against it.

When I try to manipulate I'm too obvious and not very effective.

Ivy Green said...

Best for last...

"The ideas I stand for are not mine. I borrowed them from Socrates. I swiped them from Chesterfield. I stole them from Jesus. And I put them in a book. If you don't like their rules, whose would you use?"

~ Dale Carnegie

Ivy Green said...

Positive self-talk or brainwashing? I guess it depends on who's doing it and for what purpose.

Ivy Green said...

How, pray tell, does one hide a castle?? I may need to know some day...

"A farmer who built a castle hidden behind a stack of straw bales has lost a High Court bid to save it from being demolished."

Hide and Seek

Carol said...

Coreen, I missed the commercials. Modern Family night. I will have to wait for the Super Bowl or check them on Youtube.

jan said...

Ivy, most interesting story about the hidden castle.

Carol, the title of the book rings a bell, but I cannot remember the content.
So glad your computer is up and running again.

I am trying to get in as much reading as I can here - once Friday night comes and my little 8 year old 'manipulator' is with me, you won't hear from me until Mon evening.

jan said...

Carol, I loved Modern Family tonight. I am getting 2 episodes each wed night - one is always a repeat. Very interesting.

Mary, enjoy your family.

Nite all.

Carol said...

Coreen, I didn't comment on the article you linked on depression and Internet use, because I needed some time for careful reading and pondering. It is something I have pondered before.

Like they pointed out, any addiction is a symptom of some mental distress whether it is to food, sex, shopping, gambling or Internet use.

My use of the Internet is both healthy and unhealthy. The healthy aspect is I can spend time with people who want to discuss some of the things I like to discuss. My environment is limited and it does not provide many opportunities to discuss and debate some of the issues I like to discuss and debate. I'd hope that if I had more opportunity to do that with people I can see and feel, I'd choose that option.

What has been pointed out here this week, by Solar, is that we are often more comfortable speaking our mind on blogs than we are in a face to face conversation. If we are rejected on the Net it may hurt but there is always the option of finding some other group to torment with our opinions. And we can't see it when someone is rolling their eyes at us even though I often can feel it. Yes, I know when you are irritated with me.

As for my unhealthy use, I do use the Internet to avoid activities that I need to do and don't want to do. That's definitely not a good thing.

Carol said...

I am very worried this morning even though worry is not a healthy thing to do. Mary called early this morning, just before her son was due to arrive. She fell down trying to do some last minute cleaning. She said she thinks she tore her body from one end to the other. This is not an uncommon occurance.

She was conscious, could move all her extremities, wasn't bleeding, nothing was poking thru her skin, she didn't want an ambulance, her son was arriving soon so I didn't rush over to check on her. Her son did know what had happened.

I didn't get any calls so I hope that was a good sign. I still think that it will definitely ruin the visit but I pray I am wrong.

Coreen said...

Carol, Mary,

Hope that since you posted that Mary fell this
a.m., her condition has proved not to be
too serious & has improved. Hopefully, you can give an update at some time later to reassure that is the case.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Please update us as soon a possible about Mary. We wish her well. Sounds like it was a nasty fall. Maybe Mary herself can sneak in to say,"Hey, I'm okay!" Then we'll all feel better.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
There's a little information I found on the net about the book you cited, "Man the Manipulator" by Everette Shostak.

A reader's review of the book "Man the Manipulator" on Amazon: "Shostrom identifies eight basic manipulator types, along with their "actualizor" counterparts. He notes that we all are part "manipulator", part "actualizor". It pays to know what type of manipulator you're dealing with, and at times, to carry out some manipulation yourself. For techniques of manipulation, I suggest Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People", Robert Greene's "48 Laws of Power" and, of course, the "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli. Or become an "actualizor". Part 3 of the book explains typical manipulation patterns between lovers, parents and their children and teenagers, and teachers and students."

Carol, I've heard the both "The Prince" and "The 48 Laws of Power" have become newly popular among prison gangs.

Chloe said...

Mary, I'm so sorry you had that accident. Won't rest easy until we hear from you, that you're doing alright.

Please let us know.

Chloe said...

It's interesting that those two books (including: 'How to Win Friends and Influence People') were written in the depression decade Ivy - a time of need.

I like the way Wiki summarized Dale Carnegie's concept : "One of the core ideas in his books is that it is possible to change other people's behavior by changing one's reaction to them". Thanks for quoting and linking that.

I actually think the self-help genre began way back when Emerson and Thoreau were writing. I've always loved reading books by people who were willing to share their inner most thoughts and feelings with us. I guess any exceptional writer, in order to be be successful, must do that - whether it's fiction or non fiction.

Chloe said...

"Our fatigue is often caused not by work, but by worry, frustration and resentment."

"Feeling sorry for yourself, and your present condition, is not only a waste of energy but the worst habit you could possibly have."

... oh boy, Dale Carnegie sure had those facts right. A very smart, aware guy.

Great quotes Ivy!

Chloe said...

"Positive self-talk or brainwashing?"

I sure don't call sharing one's ideas to improve others lives as brain washing. Brain washing is a means to an end - something done by someone that wants something you have. Don't know how you can compare the two.

The way you describe 'manipulation' sounds different than the way I'd describe it Carol. You have to take into consideration 'intent'. The same goes for 'control'. Who doesn't want to control their own life. That's part of taking responsibility and being willing to be held accountable.

I would never confuse kindness with manipulation and brainwashing. There are many forms of manipulation, and often saying nothing is one of them.

Chloe said...

... oops, forgot to respond. Maybe I should say you took care of your 400 lb problem, but instead said you took care 'of' him until the solution from the courts came through.

I was referring the the way you tended to all the details that were necessary to have someone there for him 24/7. Your plans allowed him to get what he needed, until the problem was solved. (I often leave out the details of what I'm 'trying' to say).

Chloe said...

.. and in that way, you solved the problem.

Chloe said...

Ha... and manipulated the situation. Who say's manipulation isn't a 'good' thing? :)

Ivy Green said...

Chloe,
You're right. I compared the two just to explore the differences. One is benevolent, and the other is malignant. A comparison applies loosely in the sense that both can be forms of indoctrination with the objective of changing a pattern of thought or perspective.

thornwil said...

Hi everyone,
Thanks for asking about me. I tripped on the vacuum cleaner cord and dove into my bedroom doorway with my head. Amazingly my head didn't even hurt but it felt like everything from the middle of my thoracic spine up shoved up into my neck. That's what scared me because it hurt immediately to breathe and I have so much metal and cement in my back.
But, nothing is going to ruin my visit with my kids.

Ivy Green said...

I have commented that addiction is a disease that brainwashes its victim into believing it's better to stay sick. In the process of breaking free, the addict must develop positive self-talk to counter these adverse effects. They must learn to disbelieve the pervasive brainwashing of our "popular" culture and reprogram their thinking. That's why their slogans and affirmations, and the closedness of their communities are so important to their recovery.

Ivy Green said...

Mary,
'Atta Girl! So glad you're okay. Love your fight'n spirit!

(^_~)

Solar said...

Mary, just making the time to check in and found out that U do have two left feet.! Now stop dancing with electrical toys :-)) and go and get a real dancing bud.

Im glad that U are OK.!!! and that U let us know. Make sure that U are not going to play the perfect host, and do all the running around.!!

Chloe,

"it is possible to change other people's behavior by changing one's reaction to them".

I don't like self-help books at all.! They mostly have what I think would be common sense.!

When I want to change someones behavior toward me....that is after I have felt used, or taken for granted, is to treat them exactly as they treat me.....if ignored, I ignore, if rude, im rude, sooner or later they will ask if there is something wrong with me..that im not the same with them....and it gets out in the open, and resolved..all relationships are egaltarian in nature, until one or the other breaks the rule....and are not being fair.....the ancient people that dependend on each other did not have a self-help book to guide them...what was fair, was excepted, or you were driven off the tribe.....Now if I would have been there with "The Rule Book-The Book Of Winkle" they would have followed it.....hey.! Don't look at me like that; I didn't write the book......

Solar said...

Sorry, that was about manipulations, mostly.

Ivy Green said...

Solar,
Another theory says treat them the way you want to be treated, no matter how they treated you. I think it would okay to take it a step further and tell them upfront you are not going to treat them the way they just treated you. Maybe that would clear the air quicker. Whaddyathink?

Solar said...

Ivy,

Yes I do AGREE with that 110% I always treat someone as I should be treated...that is the rule of nature to me...if you give the plant water, it will provide you with something to eat....this the first rule of the Hunter gathers had imo..they had to have had great relationships when they went out on the hunt together..

When this golden rule was broken, it was when we had something to store away from the others....when we started to think and act solely for our own interest..is when it all started down hill.... The start of farming did this imo....
But yes this is the first rule that we should all apply.....thanks Muchachita.!!

Solar said...

Ivy,

I forgot. Before I go into my treat them as they treat me...I alway's make a plea, a request for fairness, but that is also a warning...once again u r wright on sister.!! U would be surprised how effective this is.

My son used to do this ignore thing with me sometimes...I told him about it...and he was ok for a while....he did not like it when I ignored him, and did not even acknowledged that he was in the room, when he talked to me..I just walked away. After a few day's he asked really, really sit down and talk about it...that was 10 years ago or so....we are great friends...

Solar said...

Ok, Im being ignored......i can take a hint...what is it with me, and Maria....we both need deodorant?? I washed last month...honest.!

Just missed a bullet. My heater was making so much noise that it could be heard from the garage. The filter was stuck and torn around the motor. I took my time, and cleaned it all up by pushing the belt by hand to get it to release most of it..had to take the motor off, and put it back on tho..wanted to make sure...now it smells a little like burned toast, but that should go away.

Ivy Green said...

Ignored?? Solar, how could we possibly ignore you? Never.

(^_~)

Ivy Green said...

Solar,
I guess that was the Golden Rule we were talking about...how could we forget that? Do unto others...The Hillel version is, "That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it."

Ivy Green said...

The most recent Dr. Wayne Dyer blog post is about BABIES...

"They don’t work; they poop in their pants; and they have no goals other than to expand, grow, and explore this amazing world."

Baby, I love you!

Chloe said...

"When I want to change someones behavior toward me....that is after I have felt used, or taken for granted, is to treat them exactly as they treat me"

Solar, I'd say that is behavioral psychology that you're talking about there. You're trying to elicit the desired behavior (that you feel is respectful and appropriate). Is that manipulation? Like I said earlier, in my opinion, manipulation is not 'necessarily' a bad thing.

You have to use one heck of a lot of behavioral psychology (manipulation?) when you're raising kids - the four legged ones too.

Chloe said...

Ivy, another great link. Thanks.
I brought back some more sentences to quote from it too:

"You didn’t come forth into this world to suffer, to be anxious, fearful, stressful, or depressed.

....... Be like that baby you once were in terms of being joyful. You don’t need a reason to be happy…your desire to be so is sufficient."

Chloe said...

Excuse the long quote coming up, but I'm not sure the link will work for everyone, because you may need to be registered to read it:

Banks concede reform is inevitable
"Paul Volcker and Barack Obama have either thrown the world into chaos or given the cause of global bank regulation new impetus – it depends on your point of view. But one thing is for certain: the twin US initiatives to derisk banks and tax them according to their size – the Volcker rule and the Obama levy as they have been dubbed – have seized the attention of bankers and regulators around the world.

The US last month first made clear that it wanted to exact a levy of 0.15 per cent on any bank balance sheet over $50bn. Then it said that banks should no longer engage in what it felt were riskier practices – investing in hedge funds, private equity or proprietary trading, the archetypal casino-style betting of bank funds for a quick profit.

As part of that second crackdown, US officials said banks would not be able to grow beyond their current share of the market.

Underpinning both initiatives is a crackdown on institutions deemed “too big to fail” – an area regulators admit had not been settled via the international supervisory authorities, such as the Financial Stability Board and the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision, until the US political intervention.

There are at least four competing ideas under discussion among regulators, politicians and bankers. These include the extension of existing regulatory initiatives; the introduction of contingency capital planning; the rewriting of rules around different capital instruments, such as bank bonds; and a full-scale adoption at the level of the Group of 20 countries of a form of the Obama levy.

In the end, bankers and regulators agree a combination of at least some, if not all, of the ideas under discussion will probably be implemented in some form. And of those, a global levy is the one that appears to be gaining support fastest." Banks concede reform is inevitable

Chloe said...

... they 'were' charged.

Attorney: 10 US Baptists charged with child kidnap

"Several parents of the children in Callebas, a quake-wracked Haitian village near the capital, told The Associated Press Wednesday they had handed over their children willingly because they were unable to feed or clothe their children and the American missionaries promised to give them a better life. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100204/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_haiti_americans_detained

Solar said...

Chloe,

"Thanks for that link.There are at least four competing ideas under discussion among regulators, politicians and bankers. These include the extension of existing regulatory initiatives; the introduction of contingency capital planning; the rewriting of rules around different capital instruments, such as bank bonds; and a full-scale adoption at the level of the Group of 20 countries of a form of the Obama levy."

To me this is all just feinting right and going left..and a little late...The same people that are the trouble are expected to regulate themselves to the point of what? It's like the Health Debate, that wasn't about health...it was about who was making the laws that could be taken advantage off. If they were serious they would have had, Doctors, Nurses, Professors, and consulted with the ins industry, and politicians..and then developed a plan...not the other way around...the Bankers that steered us into this mess, is going to guide us out??

That last part is what Im afraid of...20 banks making the rules for the entire world.....

Solar said...

Ivy,

I know that im getting hard to ignore, with all of the opinions that I give. I hope that in not getting like Max.....not that anyone has made me feel that way...just that I believe that Max is way-way to willing to give an opinion on 98% of the post at tm.....

Chloe said...

Solar, That's not what Ivy meant. She would never insult you, and you're not like Max at all.

We look forward to reading your posts and opinions. That's why so many miss you when you're not around. Besides, who else is going to make sure we're not breaking the rules? :)

Solar said...

Sorry for taking so long..having pc problems, and on the phone as usual. Not I would never thing that Ive would have even hinted at that..she is too sweet for that, and would find a way to say it outright...but that is how i said it...if I have to shut down and re-boot I will talk to you later...

Solar said...

See instead of taking my time....thing =think, Ive= Ivy, sorry....

Carol said...

Jan, not only did you introduce most of those interesting psychology/self help books to me, you were the only one who had the time to read them when we were in grad school.

My older sister did the same so between you and my older sister, I've had the audio Cliffsnotes to lots of good books. Now I have Ivy to do the same. I never had much time to read the fun stuff so it is a good thing I knew people who did.

Carol said...

I am also very thankful that Mary survived her fatal fall last night. I think I've used up my quota of miracles for a while.

Carol said...

Anyone hear the Bill O'Reilly and Jon Stewart interview? Like Bill or not, he's no dummy. He can hold his own. So can Jon.

Carol said...

Interesting discussion today.

jan said...

Carol, I have changed my reading habits. I don't care much for self-help books any longer and a lot of the psych books I used to read have lost their magic for me. I enjoy books by people about the cultures they live in, books about historical characters. I like good novels. I have started a new one by Barbara Kingsolver. She has been one of my favorite authors.

jan said...

Mary, I hope you are doing ok. Take care of yourself.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
I can be superstitious, so please don't say "fatal fall." Not even a near-fatal fall. Mary took a bad fall, and thank goodness she's okay now. That's what we're hoping for...no lingering after effects. Do you think a trip to the doctor to get checked out is in order for her? Maybe you can check her out?

Ivy Green said...

Jan,
I have never read a Kingsolver book, but they look so intriguing. What do you like about her? With Geraldine Brooks it's the poetry of her prose...it carries me away.

Ivy Green said...

I will have to come back later to see if there are answers to my questions...gotta scoot out for a bit...talk amongst yourselves...lol

Carol said...

Ivy, It was actually me who it was almost fatal for. She near scared me to death. Mary was checked out at the ER. They haven't found anything yet.

Carol said...

I have so many different steps out here at the camp and when Mary comes out she skips up and down them like she has never taken a tumble. I follow her around with a mattress and don't feel comfortable until I've gotten her safely back in her car. I'm not kiddin.

Carol said...

What did ya'll think of that news that Governor Sanford removed a promise to be faithful from his wedding vows? Even if some argue that expecting faithfulness in marriage is too idealist, I think that voiding that promise so early in the relationship would definitely make me think twice.

jan said...

Ivy, I like Kingsolver's writing style. I read one of her 1st books years ago - Pigs in Heaven - She had read a passage on NPR radio and I was intrigued by it - so bought the book. Then read several others she wrote. She never disappoints me. She takes a long time writing between books. The last one of hers I read was "The Poisonwood Bibles" It was much heavier than any of her earlier books, but was excellent. The book I am reading now is Lacuna. I am just starting it.

jan said...

Ivy, I am going to look for Geraldine Brooks' books. We are going to the bookstore very soon.

jan said...

"Mary comes out she skips up and down them like she has never taken a tumble.I follow her around with a mattress and don't feel comfortable until I've gotten her safely back in her car."

Carol, I am chuckling at your description of mary's mobility. I used to do that too - never watched where I was stepping - skipping up and down. I miss that. Now, I am cautious when walking. I had too many minor missteps for a while and was constantly twisting an ankle or breaking small bonew in my feet. When we are younger we don't realize how flexible we are until we are older and lose that flexibility.

jan said...

bonw=bones

jan said...

I guess my sympathy or empathy lies with Mrs. Sanford. The worst part for her is having all this played out in the media.

jan said...

Not to mention the Sanford kids.

goodgame77 said...

生命是一頓豐富的宴席,有人卻寧可挨餓 ..................................................

Carol said...

Interesting post above. I thought it was going to be another porn advertisement like the last foreign post was but it wasn't, unless it is leading up to some later. I put it in that google translate that Chloe linked for us. I'll let you do that also. It's fun to do. The first time I put it in, I missed one little symbol and it changed the statement. Maybe it is suppose to be the thought for the day. What do you think?

Carol said...

At first I did feel sorry for Ms. Sanford but now I don't know. If she married a man who took faithfulness out of his marriage contract, what she did expect?

When you choose to be a politician or celebrity or the spouse of either, you don't have any privacy. That is pretty much a given. Now the children are another matter.

Carol said...

Coreen, are you in for that big snow storm? We got a lot of rain and last night I noticed the river is expected to rise again. I'm not sure yet if I will need to make a run for it or not. I need a little gusty wind from the north to blow some of it out.

Carol said...

Coreen, "Hogle Zoo orangutans pick Saints to win Super Bowl". I think we are ahead in the critter polls.

Carol said...

"You didn’t come forth into this world to suffer, to be anxious, fearful, stressful, or depressed."

Chloe, that is easy to say, great to desire, but very difficult to achieve. Even if you move out to a camp surrounded by nature, cut out the news, limit your time communicating with those who want to keep you in these uncomfortable states, it's still really tough to achieve.

Coreen said...

Carol,

I'm sticking with all those critters, just have
a feeling that it's going to turn out well for
the new America's team...its like it's destiny...

On CBS this a.m., there is even a building in
Miami that is lighted in gold for the Saints...

Are you wearing your Saints colors to work today? As I said, if you want me to put up a post for Sunday, I will, & if you have any pics &/or thoughts,I could add to the post, you could email to me or if you want to do a post in honor of the Saints yourself, that would be great too. Either way, I have a good feeling about your Saints. Here, We are all now honoray Who Dat Nation residents....

As far as the snowstorm, yes, it is heading this way BUT the weather people keep saying it is only going to dust CT, with maybe 1 to 3"
the most to fall to the South in NY, south Jersey.

Last weekend when we had snow, a friend's son was driving back from FL & said that the worst
was in No. Carolina, roads were just treacherous, they are not prepared for clearing
snow...I feel sorry for those in the mid-atlantic states, since for the most part, clearing the snow here has become very efficient & done pretty rapidly when it happens.

Chloe said...

goodgame77 said...

生命是一頓豐富的宴席,有人卻寧可挨餓
February 4, 2010 10:24:00 PM PST

For anyone who is curious how we translate these things, you just copy and paste (the foreign language) onto google translate, and it does all the rest for you.

Life is delicious feast, some people would rather starve
Google translate

Carol said...

Another ponder. The media loves to fan the flames of partisanship. Instead of giving the parties an atta boy for coming together to work out their differences like in that recent meeting between Obama and the Republicans, they focus on who scored the most points. They cheer for one side or the other. That just encourages partisanship. The focus should have been on the fact that they were willing to come together and discuss the issues.

Carol said...

I'm late to leave today. I was a little "under the weather" this morning but I'm perking up now so hi ho, hi ho....

Chloe said...

""You didn’t come forth into this world to suffer, to be anxious, fearful, stressful, or depressed."

Chloe, that is easy to say, great to desire, but very difficult to achieve."

Carol, I only quoted that sentence out of Ivy's link, because I think it's a good goal, and something to keep in mind (maybe even a reminder). You have to remember, I'm not naive, and believe me, I've had more than my share of pain in my life. But I also believe 'we are what we think'. Why not convince ourselves to not only hope for the best, but to aim for happiness. This is not pie in sky, this is the science of thought.

Chloe said...

"The focus should have been on the fact that they were willing to come together and discuss the issues."

I agree. The problem is, they are partisan too.

Sorry to hear you weren't feeling that great this morning Carol. Happy Friday!

Ivy Green said...

People in my home state are getting ready for the Big Snow Event of 2010. Scroll down to photos of the bread and milk grocery store shelves. So, what's happening on the toilet paper aisle? lol

Snowpocalypse Now

Coreen said...

Ivy,

Not sure about the tp aisle, but generally the run is always for milk, bread, eggs....and the
hysteria is created in large part by the media
obsessessing? for days before the storm arrives, so the apprehension/fear just gets bigger & bigger...

I do feel for the mid atlantic states, they are
just not prepared for such a tremendous amount of snow & how to manage it, but the good thing for them is that after the snow, the temperatures usually rise well above freezing so it melts away...unlike here when the temps stay below freezing for days & the snow stays where it was not plowed/shoveled away....

Coreen said...

Ivy,

In yesterday's NYT, front page below the fold,
(knowing your fondness for the British Isles,
you might find this of interest & also in view of your comments about addictions/behavior)Buckfast Tonic Wine & its effects on the Scottish population.

For Scots, a Scourge unleashed by a bottle

Chloe said...

Mary?

First, I'm wondering how you're feeling, and how your visit is going. (I'm hoping you're not working today, with your back problems).

Also, I'm wondering if your daughter-in-law went for her ultra sound?

Hope all is going well for you.

Solar said...

""You didn’t come forth into this world to suffer, to be anxious, fearful, stressful, or depressed."

Actually one does come into the world for exactly these reasons.!! cept the depressed part. only a few true % of people come into this world with this sickness imo.

I finally have my fitness post 90% ready to go, will put it up sunday night, or monday after the S. B. so have fun, and pig out sunday..monday is a new start....

Solar said...

Mary,

hoping that u r fine...

Coreen not much happening..weather wise..same as yesterday...just gray and a little damp...but not really cold..piece of cake..the 5ht already..march is coming soon. If you don't anticipate the coming of the nice weather...(this works for me) i don't get anxious about it...it will get here when it gets here..

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
That's an interesting article...didn't encounter any Buckfest when I was in Scotland, but I'm appreciative to know about another cultural phenomenon affecting my ancestral homeland. New face on an old problem for Scots. Though not the only ethnic group so affected, the alcohol-abuse gene is well entrenched in Anglo-Saxon DNA, and from it flow the associated social and medical problems. The lore in my ancestry is that the family lands were gambled away by the chief during an alcohol-fueled night of revelry. From there we became homeless, and from thence to America.

Ivy Green said...

"Actually one does come into the world for exactly these reasons.!!"

Solar, I'm not ignoring you, but I'm ignoring that what you wrote...just can't go there.
Still :)ing

Coreen said...

Ivy,

"The lore in my ancestry is that the family lands were gambled away by the chief during an alcohol-fueled night of revelry. From there we became homeless, and from thence to America."

Now that Ivy would seem to be the stuff a pretty good book is made of....and didn't you allude to the fact that you are a would be author a few posts ago....

Coreen said...

Solar,

Pretty sure we will be in need of that fitness/exercise/new start post by the end of the weekend....

Solar said...

Ivy,

I glad that U are U....just as u r. U do me a lot of good. U make me think...U also show me that U r a very caring person, u the best.!!

Now the reason that I say that; is because of evolution. We are just (all animals) living tubes that create other living tubes, so they can keep it going; and it all comes with the territory of survival...we need some portion of all of those things in order to keep ahead of our preditors, or to catch our next meal. All part of the survival of the fittest imo.

Solar said...

Coreen,

I have not put it up for that reason..we need to keep Carol company on SB day. and will all be nervous until the last field goal, that will win it for the Saint...we need a lot of snacks to calm us down no? U pinks anyway....maybe not U...U have seen a lot of games...

Solar said...

Coreen,

I do think that U and the others will like this program..it is not a diet, or any of those silly things.....it is....have to wait until the game is over :-)

Coreen said...

Solar,

I am convinced more than ever that the Saints have a really good chance to win & as I said in this place, on Sunday, we are all honorary residents of the Who Dat Nation...call it whatever you want, luck, karma, destiny, or good ole fashioned razzle/dazzle football, but in the end I am standing with the Saints in a high scoring in the 30s for both teams with the Saints winning like 34 - 31....they will not only cover the points (today 5) but will win outright.....

Solar said...

I should have said that we those traits in a small degree, not as our way of being....just enough to keep us wary of things:

Carol mentions these type of things when she say's that the MSM are leading us by the nose....well she is right....we have forgotten to use our senses when it comes to what they sell us...that's why they have us fighting one against the other...

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
My late sister and I went once on a lark to a gypsy Palm Reader. My sister believed in all that stuff, I didn't. Among my secrets the fortune lady divined was that I am a "writer," and that some day I will write a book. I won't write it, she said, to make money, but to help people. But it will make money. (That's what SHE said.)

I shouldn't be letting these secrets out. lol

Ivy Green said...

Solar,
You are quite an inspiration yourself. Because of your influence, I am back on my elliptical every day. When the weather improves, I plan to go OUTSIDE even and WALK. lol

Ivy Green said...

Jan,
When you come back, I have a question from last night. Which of the Barbara Kingsolver books would you suggest I start with? Which have you liked best?

You mentioned she takes a long time between books. That would be my greatest pitfall were I ever to listen to the fortune lady's prediction...it would take me so long to write it would probably be a posthumous publication.

:)

jan said...

Carol, I know you are getting excited about the big day coming up. Most people here think the Saints are going to win. Are you having a superbowl party? I will have my 8 y/o granddaughter and her little dog for the weekend.

Ivy, we have an elliptical too. I like it better than any other machine.

Coreen, Sorry to hear you have another storm coming through.

We are getting lots of snow in the mountainous areas of our state, but Albuq is in a valley and we get some precipitation but not a lot of snow.

Ivy Green said...

With the recent death of author J.D. Salinger, fans and scholars have expressed the hope that caches of unpublished works will be uncovered and posthumously published. For real writers, writing is irrepressible. It will be interesting to see if this hold true for one of our most celebrated authors. Maybe the secrets behind his decades of reclusiveness will be revealed. Perhaps it was a simple case of "writer's block?" I suppose that could last for decades.

J.D. Salinger

jan said...

Mary, I too am wondering how your visit with your son and DIL is going.

I am just about to finish the 2 baby quilts. The hand quilting on each one is taking a long time. My grandson and his wife and new baby are coming here for a visit Feb 17-23. I plan to have both quilts finished by then. I took a class last sat on machine quilting. The next quilt I make will be machine quilted. Takes much less time.

Ivy Green said...

Jan,
I also have a cobweb-covered treadmill that has served as a combination towel rack and magazine stand since I got the elliptical. But I think I will dust it off, and see what I can do with it.

Solar, we can use that fitness post you have coming. I plan to get two birds with one stone on Sunday by watching the game while on the elliptical (or treadmill).

(^_~)

Solar said...

Ivy,

The only one that will not like the new U will be you're buddy-hubby, going to get a lot of wolf whistles walking down the street....shake, shake, shake; shake that.....thats coreens song...Thats why Chloe goes to the Mall a lot; it ain't for cupcakes!.....she gets all the exersice that she needs; with all of those critters that she feeds...

Ivy Green said...

Solar,
You too funny. There was a time I would get stares and swiveled-heads from guys when I drove down the street in my snazzy-looking sports car. One day, I happened to look out my office window from where I could see the car parked. There was a guy circling it, moving back and forth for close-ups and long-range inspections. That's when I realized...it's the car, stupid.

:)

Solar said...

Coreen:


DISPATCHES FROM AMERICA
30-second warnings
By Robert Lipsyte

In 1987, an evangelical Christian missionary in the Philippines, Pam Tebow, sick, pregnant, and near term, ignored her doctors' advice to abort her fifth child. How could they know he would grow up to win a Heisman Trophy - the highest individual award in American college football - and lead the University of Florida to two national American football titles?

Twenty-three years later, before he even turned professional, Tim Tebow made himself the player to beat in Sunday's Super Bowl XLIV by starring in a 30-second commercial for Focus on the Family, a Christian group that opposes abortion and same-sex marriage. That the advertisement would run represented a reversal of CBS's long-time policy against advocacy ads. At this late date, it is still not certain if Tim's creation myth will be included in the



commercial, or even if the ad will be aired at all.

Whatever happens, the controversy put the game's spotlight back where it belongs - on the advertising.

DISPATCHES FROM AMERICA
30-second warnings

Ivy Green said...

Something about stories accompanied by yellowed old photographs that grab me...

Casualty of War

Ivy Green said...

Disturbing story and photos on Marie Winn's blog about coyotes in Central Park, NYC. This does not bode well given the recent reports surfacing which I linked here this week pointing to New York's poor track record with rounding up feral dogs.

I have seen coyotes here in my residential neighborhood - running past children - and probably lost a never-found cat to them. Apparently our wild pigs are too big for them to swallow.

"Coyotes have a particular taste for house cats. The Central Park coyote will go out of its way to find and kill and eat any of these it can smell or see. And small dogs wondering about on their own could be reduced to coyote protein."

Central Park Coyote

Ivy Green said...

Another Marie Winn-fall :)

"You remember your question --the one about the ducks in Central Park. You kept asking what happens to those ducks when all the lakes freeze over. You were real worried about them. You wondered whether some guy came in a truck and took them away to a zoo or something. It showed that you were a sensitive kid, Holden, it really did, you caring about the ducks and everything. I mean, most people just don't give a damn about the animals in the park and all."

ABOUT THOSE DUCKS, HOLDEN CAULFIELD

Solar said...

When U click on that, and U get that the link was broken...just after the red lettering..click on Asia- times, and it will go into another interesting article...but that's not the one...go to the left click on the home page, and scroll down to the story...it is worth it...from now on, I will not do a hyper link from Asia Times.....

Coreen said...

Solar,

I may have brought your link over from TM for you, if it works...

As far as the ad $$$, I never forget...it is ALWAYS about the money...


Dispatches from America 30 second warnings

Coreen said...

About JD Salinger, my wondering is about who
gets control of his estate...his 2 kids or someone else...& whoever winds up with the estate....now here's my cynical self...how
fast before they sell the rights to make a movie of catcher in the rye to the highest bidder...& oh, if perchance there are missing
writings of Salinger, how fast before the
heirs sell them....because, remember, it is always about the money....

Coreen said...

And Ivy, before I forget, please get writing,
that gypsy palm reader had it right, you can help others, but still benefit....nothing wrong with that...

I had my palm read once, she wrote all over my hand, she used initials, but guess I did not
believe, since I can't remember what was supposed to happen.

Coreen said...

And Jan, when do you find time to read a book
while making those quilts, which I know are very time consuming...

The baby (well she's really 1 already) that I made the afghan & sweater for is going to be christened here next weekend....

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
The gypsy said the book would make money, but never said I would get to spend it.

lol

Carol said...

Coreen, I sent you a few pics that you can use for your Super Bowl post if you want. I even have one where Maggie picks the winner. Who Dat do you thinks she picks?

Coreen said...

Carol, Just added them to my pictures....& sent you a reply...

Great going....love them...

Carol said...

Having a Super Bowl party? definitely not. Going to one? no, even though I have many to choose from. I'm staying here, with no other distractions, hogging my TV screen and dancing around the room. Parties are better for games when I don't care about the game or the outcome.

Ivy Green said...

Do ya 'spose they sent the student home for his own safety?

"While his classmates took advantage of a policy allowing them to trade their school uniforms for Saints jerseys and T-shirts, 17-year-old Brandon Frost, who grew up in Indianapolis, chose to wear a Colts jersey."

Maurepas student sent home from school for wearing Indianapolis Colts jersey

Ivy Green said...

Another commenter thought the same thing as me...lol

"Posted by esplanader
February 05, 2010, 5:39PM
Perhaps the principal thought the dear child might be endangered on the school yard.

Maybe he's a smart man. Think of how bad 'Student beaten for wearing Colt's t-shirt' looks as a headline."

Ivy Green said...

They could have made the kid turn the shirt inside out...or put a sweater on over it...many other options besides banishment...

Carol said...

Even though that principal was a moron, I don't think the other students would have beat him up over the jersey Ivy. There were many reports of how well the other team fans were treated in New Orleans during the championship game. One article saying that the other team's fans said, they never had so much fun losing. But then, those kids at that school aren't old enough to drink yet, are they?

jan said...

Ivy, Kingsolver has 2 early books in which one is a sequel to the other - I think it is Bean Trees and Pigs in Heaven. Both are good. I think I read PIH first and did not realize there was one that preceded it.

I loved "The Poisonwood Bibles" It was excellent. It came later.

jan said...

Hi Coreen, When did you finish the baby's afgan (is it afgan or afghan)? You didn't post a picture of it.

I work on the quilts at night while watching TV or sitting with John while he watches TV. I read before I go to sleep. Reading quiets my mind.

Solar, intresting info about Tim Tebow. I heard about the TV ad and the controversy. I did not hear who it was about.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
There's no reason at all then to have sent the Colts Kid home from school...

jan said...

Ivy, It is hard to believe that 15 y/o boys could join the service in Britain during the 2nd WW.

Ivy Green said...

Jan,
"Poisonwood Bibles" has been her bestest-seller, right?

jan said...

Ivy, yes it has. I read it several years ago, but it is not easily forgotten. It is not a religious book. It is about a family - the father is a missionary with a wife and 4 daughters. He takes them to Africa and the story is told from the perspectives of the wife and daughters.

jan said...

The principal is a poor sport.

jan said...

Went to our favorite NM restaurant tonight. Took our 8 y/o GD. She really likes the hot stuff. She had a bean burrito with red sauce and she wolfed down the whole thing. She is a little thing. I had a cheese enchilada that I didn't eat and she ate it too.

Ivy Green said...

I went back and re-read more carefully the Times-Picayune story, noting that the students were allowed to "trade their school uniforms for Saints jerseys and T-shirts." In other words, if you're not wearing your Saints jersey, you have to wear your regular uniform. How could I, the old human resources policy-enforcer, have missed that distinction?

Chloe said...

Since we're getting close to 200 comments, I put up a very temporary post to hold us over 'til morning, or whenever Coreen has her Super Bowl post ready to go.

Ivy Green said...

Thanks for the heads up, Chloe. I almost posted a lengthy comment here, but I will cut and paste it to the new thread.