Tuesday, February 16, 2010

Westminster Best of Show Sadie



Here's the seven group winners....Who will be Best of Show?


Who is your favorite?






Terrier Group winner is Scottish Terrier 'Sadie'







Working group winner - Doberman
Pinscher 'Blazing Star'











Sporting Group winner - Brittany Spaniel
'Tally' (Talltean )




















Herding Group winner - Puli 'Conrad' (Field of Dreams)









Nonsporting Group winner - French Bulldog







'Bru' (I'm on Fire)












Toy Group Winner - Toy Poodle 'Walker'
(Moon Walk)









Hound Group Winner- Whippet 'Chanel'











173 comments:

Coreen said...

I did't pick any of these,but if I had to select one I would like to see the Puli or
the french bulldog as best of show....

Coreen said...

And I even like the Brittany....but not crazy
about the doberman, the whippet, the toy poodle or the scottie...

Coreen said...

So does the favorite win this or will there be an upset?

Coreen said...

Well, no surprise I guess....Sadie

Carol said...

I'm behind because of all my pausing but I'd really need to give them all a big hug to decide. As for looks it would be between the Scotty and the Brittany.

Coreen said...

Did you catch up yet, Carol?...

Time for me to go.....

Carol said...

Just as it got to the place where the were getting ready to announce the best in show my channel switched over to the Daily Show I have it set to record every night. Fortunately I had it recorded to the other TV and was able to fast forward that recording to the end. It's been that kind of day today. Everything that could go wrong, has.

Carol said...

Well, Sadie won the triple crown. I wonder if Ivy's dogs were watching?

Ivy Green said...

Were were all piled on the ouch together. Lillie didn't like it 'cuz she was getting brushed...she snapped at the brush and we had to have a word...that's NOT a good dog!

Ivy Green said...

Brought my last post forward...I'm not complaining. Except I'd love to see a wheaten Scottie win something...just so folks would know there's more than one Scottie coat color...underneath they're all the same dog.

looks like Meg

jan said...

Iliked the Puli.

Carol, the dinner was red beans and rice - not gumbo. John had told me it would be gumbo. When we got there, I gave him a dirty look. LOL. It was very good. The woman who cooked it was from Alabama.

jan said...

I will watch the taped dog show tomorrow. Too many things on tonight. I watched some of the mens figure skating. The Russian guy blew them all away - in my opinion.

jan said...

Coreen, great post and pictures.

jan said...

For some reason I just don't like the way they clip the poodles. I think the Brittany Spanial is beautiful. If they would give me one of them, I would take the Brittany S.

jan said...

Ohhhh Ivy, the white scotty you posted is so adorable, and it looks like Meg. Your Meg must be a beauty.

jan said...

I finished the quilts. Just in time. I am glad to be done with them.

Carol said...

Congrats on finishing the quilts Jan. I don't know how you do everything you do. I really accomplished nothing in the 5 days I was off. First of all it was fairly cold. I don't function very well when it's cold.

It hardly felt like much of a vacation. The first day I got 28 calls from work. The calls went down over the weekend. It went down each day until it was only about 8 or 9 yesterday but one of those was at about after 10:30.

I dread going in today because I know I will be facing tons of charts to review. Most likely hundreds. I see an average of 30 patients a day and with 5 days off I will start 150 behind. Yuk.

So it was red beans and rice Jan. Well, I'm sure they do a good job on those in your part of the country. Gumbo, maybe not. Is the food in your neck of the woods spicy?

Carol said...

Those Scottys are so cute Ivy but I hear they think they are superior to their owners. Maybe Maggie has a little Scotty in her because so does she. She does roll her eyes at me pretty frequently.

Carol said...

I read some things on Huff Post this morning about Bayh that I didn't know. Well, there's a lot I didn't know about him but this was interesting.

"Between 2006 and 2008 Susan(his wife) earned $2.1 million from health insurers. Legal under Senate rules, Susan Bayh's refusal to step down from WellPoint's board, and her husband's denial that the millions she had earned from WellPoint would influence him, were greeted with derision from ethics watchdogs."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-sledge/evan-bayhs-very-long-2009_b_462736.html

Seems like all those politicians are involved in things that make their fairly representing the needs of the people almost impossible.

I would like to see some data on how much some of these politicians are worth before he/she gets into politics and how much they are worth after. Either they are already rich and want to stay that way or aren't that rich and want to get that way.

jan said...

Carol, the red beans and rice was not like they make in LA but OK.

jan said...

Carol, when I have been off and go back to work, its the same thing - if I am off one week, I am 2-3 weeks behind.

Ivy Green said...

From the news: "Sadie is also the first Triple Crown winner of dogdom: she won the National Dog Show in November and the AKC/Eukanuba National Championship in December."

And this: "Shortly before Sadie was announced as the winner of America's top dog show, a pair of protesters entered the center ring holding signs that read 'Mutts Rule' and 'Breeders Kill Shelter Dogs' Chances.' PETA members Dana Sylvester and Hope Round were promptly arrested and charged with criminal trespass."

I didn't see or hear any nutcases in the ring...did they censor that while it was happening? The only thing I noticed was the announcer seemed uncharacteristically flustered.

Ivy Green said...

That line they use about Scotties being "superior" to their owners is facetious, not to be taken literally. Any dog that is properly trained knows whose hand controls the treat jar, Scotties included.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
All digging and burrowing-bred dogs have a strong streak of independence, especially terriers. That's because when they "go to ground" there's no person down there directing them what to do...they must think on their paws. lol

Coreen said...

The saga of the professor killer just keeps on
going...

The facts to always keep in mind she carried a gun to a meeting of those she was 'angry' with
for her failing to be given tenure & shot & killed 3 people & wounded 3 others.....

Still want to know about where she got the gun,
the shooting range episode with the husband, who must likely knew of her prior actions, his
driving her to and away from the shootings...

Amy Bishop assaulted another
woman several years ago

Carol said...

Ivy, I wasn't able to watch the end of the dog show carefully since I was preparing for bed and pausing off and on so I didn't noticed anything unusual going on. I can understand the passion of the shelter dog protesters, good cause, but they should have been watching the dog show on TV. Almost every commercial was about adopting a shelter dog. They certainly dedicated a lot of time to that goal.

Maybe there should be a shelter dog show, called the Best of the Rest dog show. It would be a little difficult to come up with a standard for a shelter dog. They could have categories for big hairy mutts, big smooth mutts, then little for both categories, also a category for, not all their parts in the right place, mutts. The cutest mutt, the ugliest mutt, etc. The mutt that most looks like the mutt master. You might come up with some other categories.

Carol said...

And nice to know you are the top dog in your family. I working on that with Maggie. I'm taller than she is. Does that count?

Carol said...

And Coreen, I wonder how much more will come out about our neuro, gone ballastic, biologist? I think she had a tad of an anger management problem, ya think? She also never seemed to face any consequences for it. That story of what happened when she killed her brother does not support it being an accident and most of the facts were reported in that official report. Something was definitely up there. Did you know that the DA then or worked in the office is now or was a US representative, Delahunt?

jan said...

Coreen, new information about this woman keeps coming forward. I think her husband has to know more than he is telling.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
There are PLENTY of pure-breed dogs in shelters, in addition to the ones with rescue organizations. People see dogs on TV, or that a celebrity has, and they decide they have to one...and then find out they're in over their head. That's how we got our first Scottie eleven years ago. We were her fourth owner in her first six months of life, and are sure she had been mistreated. We always considered her a rescue.

I was glad to see all the news items on the internet congratulating Sadie, but my heart sank to see every one was preceeded by an advertisement for "Scottie puppies for sale." Like I said, popularity is the bane of a dog breed's existence.

Ivy Green said...

Coming up shortly, we are getting what I think is a local TV broadcast interview with a survivor of the Huntsville shootings. The stay-tuned "teaser" is that this near-victim tried to "talk Bishop out of it."

Ivy Green said...

The Boston-area newspapers seem to have a high interest in this case, no doubt due to her past-Massachusetts residency and the mystery about why she never faced charges in the brother's death.

Carol said...

Get and give me the scoop Ivy. And the Boston Globe does seem to have some of the best info. It's nice to have the Internet to find info on stuff we interested in.

Yes, Jan, you'd think her husband would know more than he is admitting. Of course we don't want to think bad things about the ones we love.

Also Ivy, when Uno won, beagles jumped in popularity. People often want dogs like they want to coolest new outfit. They don't carefully consider the breed characteristics and if they would work well with their life and family. Big dogs need lots of exercise and discipline since they can take over a house. Even many of those little ones can rule the roost. Maggie tries to be bossy but fortunately I'm bigger than she is. She has shown me her teeth before like that's gonna scare me.

Ivy Green said...

Jan,
Thanks for your comment on the photo I posted, "Looks Like Meg." I had showed the pic to Hubs without saying anything about it and he said, "Is that Meg?" So it must look like her. lol

Here's another image I found showing the Scottie breed specs on a wheaten Scottie. Everything is the same as for black Scotties except for the coat color.

Wheatie Sweetie

Ivy Green said...

Wheaten Scotties appear randomly in litters. Meg's litter mates were two black-brindle males and a wheaten twin sister. Meg's twin grew up to become Mr. Gus's mother. We have never bred any litters, always spaying or neutering our dogs.

A Scottie rescue person once told me that wheaten Scotties used to be culled from litters and destroyed because no one wanted a Scottie that wasn't black. Fortunately, that custom has been stopped and more people seek out wheaten Scotties.

Carol said...

Ivy, do Scotties let you love on them?

Ivy Green said...

Mr. Gus is a silver brindle even though both of his parents were wheaten color. The laws of genetics...who can figure?

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Absolutely! They are very loyal and affectionate. Mr. Gus will kiss you to death!

Ivy Green said...

Mr. Gus mourned for two weeks after we lost our first girl. She was the queen bee (even though she had the least-royal genes). He would not eat and moped around all day. Then one day he woke up and said, "Hey, I was Prince, but now I'm KING!" lol

Ivy Green said...

The shooting survivor interview was riveting. I'll try to find a video link...it was on our local NBC station.

At one point, she grabbed Bishop's leg from where she was hiding under a table. Bishop shook her off, came after her, and turned the gun on her. It failed to fire, and the lady was able to escape, or else she'd be a fatality too.

Carol said...

I saw where she shot each of them, point blank, in the head. Several of the survivors ducked under the table. That lady must of been one who did. The the gun either ran out of bullets or misfired.

Do you think she even thought this out? The consequences, that is. It was definitely premeditated so she did think out the killing part but she had to realize that this would be the end of the road for her.

Ivy Green said...

The interview video hasn't been posted yet. Probably because they want to broadcast it again tonight.

But the professor in the interview said Bishop complained about the denial-of-tenure every time she saw her during the last six months. She said it was the end of her career. That would indicate she'd been building up a grudge for quite some time.

Carol said...

She even went to a shooting range Ivy. When you're sitting in a faculty meeting it doesn't require a lot of marksmanship to hit your target.

Carol said...

Well my drain is still plugged tighter than a tick and that is after two 60 oz jugs of drain cleaner and one of those bottles of foaming cleaner. I don't even pour any grease down my sinks, I put it in used baggies and have strainers in both sinks. I don't get it. My boys will be here to fix it tomorrow.

It gives me a good excuse to just eat junk. Cooking healthy stuff requires a lot of sink action.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
You might not have done anything to clog the drain. I am always amazed at the ability of "gunk" to breed itself with no apparent nutrients.

Carol said...

I put enough drain unplugger to dissolve a beav it would have crawled up my pipes. I'm waiting, any minute, for the camp to melt out from under me.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Are you on a septic system? Do you put that Rid-X stuff down there once a month or so? When I was on a septic system, I used it religiously, and even now once in a while.

Carol said...

I heard the cheese wrap was a success!

Coreen said...

Looks like the Bishop soap opera has no
end...the 2 boston papers the herald & the globe are in a race to see which gets the most on this woman....

And is this the interview that you were refering to Ivy from a survivor....the comments
provide more details....

Still wonder about the gun, the shooting range
& the husband....

Survivor tells
what was going on

Coreen said...

Are you still watching the olympics?

If you are talking about Vonn...it did work...

The men's curling team lost their 3rd match earlier...its a round robin & don't know how
they could make it to medals matches the way
they are doing...

The women lost their 2nd match today too...

Coreen said...

Carol, over time pipes build up residue, my house the iron in the well water has caused the
coppery tubing to be clogged almost shut a couple of times....I have to treat my well water with multi chemicals to keep it clear...

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
Yes, your link is to the professor I saw on TV in a taped interview. She also said she's "very very angry" at Amy for doing this.

Carol said...

It kind of makes me think about my arteries. I down more grease/oil than my drain pipes do.

Coreen, I bet that survivor will be experiencing some PTSD. Can you imagine how horrible that must have been to stare down that gun barrel. Why didn't the gun go off??? Her number didn't come up that day.

And with Ms Bishop, I wonder why she, with all her premeditation, didn't consider the consequences to her life. She ended it with her actions. Well actually ending it would have been easier for her.

That's why I don't think capitol punishment is really any kind of deterant. People who commit crimes just don't think about the consequences. I ponder it almost every day at work. I do ask them why when I get the opportunity. They don't have a clue.

Coreen said...

And did you see the one about her being related
to John Irving, the writer....

To me she has the same attitude that academics
for the most part exhibit, (I in my ivory tower atmosphere with no idea how the real world works, know infinitely more than you do or will ever know)...mind you outside those ivy covered walls...most of them couldn't earn a living....

Bishop related to John Irving

Coreen said...

And did you see the one about her being related
to John Irving, the writer....

To me she has the same attitude that academics
for the most part exhibit, (I in my ivory tower atmosphere with no idea how the real world works, know infinitely more than you do or will ever know)...mind you outside those ivy covered walls...most of them couldn't earn a living....

Bishop related to John Irving

Ivy Green said...

I am stunned that Bishop never gave a thought to her own children, let alone her colleague's. Those kids lives are destroyed now.

Carol said...

You go girl! Vonn!

Ivy Green said...

Vonn's run was spectacular. Did you see all the skiers who fell and kept tumbling?

Coreen said...

I think my computer is having the yips tonite...sorry

I would think the woman who she tried to kill
might be a little more than angry...like that
this woman should die or never see the light of day...

Just heard the ski announcer say vonn is the most fit & powerful woman on the tour.....

Boy does she look happy!!!!

And yes, I don't think criminals generally think about the consequences of their actions...

Ivy Green said...

It had to be a punishment on that injured shin.

Carol said...

Right now Ivy, Vonn probably has a lot of endorphins pouring out. The pain will come later.

Carol said...

I hope that lady can get up.

Ivy Green said...

It's a sick woman and a poor mother who sacrifices her young children's futures to satisfy a self-serving grudge. I'm sure more will be revealed and the nature of her sickness will be defined.

Carol said...

Those women are pushing it. It hurts me just to watch it.

Carol said...

Ivy, getting to talk to people who commit crimes is one of the most interesting parts of my job. And I'm not talking about their medical history, but I do have to get that also.

Carol said...

There's alway a lot of denial involved. And often I think they are able to convince themselves they didn't do it. I really think that OJ convinced himself he was innocent. The more time that passes, the more convinced they become.

Ivy Green said...

I just popped in at TM to see what was going on over there...Old Sea posted a nice kitty cat story at 7:59 pm. lol

Carol said...

I'll have to check that out Ivy.

Have ya'll wondered if more faculty members will be getting tenure this year? Might be a good time to go for it.

Coreen said...

Mentioning old sea, I received my chocolate fudge that I had ordered from her...it is really scrumptious...well what's left....She also sent some butter crunch, nonpareils, & her hot chocolate mix, which are all quite tasty...

The fudge is something I have not had for so many years, & it was the melt in your mouth
taste...delicious....

Ivy Green said...

I would really like to visit Martha's Vineyard and Old Sea's shop. We might get a chance since learning yesterday that Miss College got accepted into a graduate program in Massachusetts for next fall.

jan said...

"To me she has the same attitude that academics
for the most part exhibit, (I in my ivory tower atmosphere with no idea how the real world works, know infinitely more than you do or will ever know)...mind you outside those ivy covered walls...most of them couldn't earn a living...."

Coreen, that is a strong generalization. I am an academic and I do a faculty practice, so I both teach and practice in my area. Without your professors, you would not have had an education.

Ivy Green said...

Hope Miss College's Cat is ready to freeze her paws off. lol

jan said...

Carol, After we moved into our 60 year old house we had plumbing problems and had to have all the pipes that run out to the sewer lines replaced and a bunch of the pipes under the house replaced too. It is just a fact of life.

Carol said...

Congrats to Miss College, her cat and you, Ivy!

Carol said...

I had five days off for those pipes to plug but nooooo, they had to do it last night before I had to go back to work!

Coreen said...

Jan, not intending to offend you, however, having spent a number of years exposed to the
attitudes of professors, I stand by my comment...they are generally elitists....

I do not intend to debate this with you, my opinion is mine, yours is yours...

Carol said...

Even though I don't feel that "elitist" is an attitude of a majority of professors, it might be of some, especially those who teach or those who were educated in some of the more high falutin Universities. Seems we had another incident in the news, not that long ago, where a professor felt a little like his poop didn't stink like the rest of us.

And I think that that loss of power or not getting the proper respect may have been the core of the issue with Ms. Bishop. She may have felt her power was taken from her when she failed to get tenure. She may have felt that her education was superior to those who were denying her tenure, how dare them. She wasn't going to let that happen. But instead of using her intellect, she borrowed from what the common thug uses to show his power, a gun, the great equalizer.

Evidently Ms. Bishop felt like, with her loss of this job, her life was over anyway but before it was, she would show them all and she did.

Unfortunately for Ms Bishop, she didn't stop to think that she will now be having to kow tow to people without her elite education. It won't give her any points where she will be spending the rest of her life. Actually, it will give her even less points.

In jail, a Harvard education is not as useful and a street education. And it won't be long before she starts picking up and using the lingo of all the other inmates.

Carol said...

While my basic undergrad education was provided by a U that would be on the opposite end of the spectrum from an "elite" university, it is really all up to the student, what he/she achieves/learns.

Jan, do you remember in our senior year we were really worried about who was going to be responsible for teaching one of our courses. We felt like that prof was the least prepared to teach the material. We all decided that if we wanted to learn what we needed to learn, we better teach it to ourselves. We buckled down and did just that. I think I learned more that semester than I learned in all the others.

Carol said...

And breaking news.....the Tiger will talk...to a limited number of news people... who won't ask any questions.

Ivy Green said...

The Nutty Professor flipped out at IHOP in 2002:

"Police reports show that in 2002, UAH shooting suspect Amy Bishop punched a woman in the head for not giving her child a booster seat at a restaurant, all the while yelling, "I am Dr. Amy Bishop."

Bishop Assaulted Woman in 2002

Ivy Green said...

"Amy Bishop 'consumed' with university tenure but was pursuing plan B, husband says"

Looks like she ended up with Plan C.

Ivy Green said...

Amy Bishop had a much different recollection of a 2002 assault where she punched a woman in the head, telling officers who interviewed her that the other woman had been the "aggressor."

Different Recollection

jan said...

Coreen, my purpose was not to debate the issue with you. I merely pointed out that I believed your statement to be a wide generalization about all academics.

Many people make wide generalizations that are negative about attorneys and physicians that I do not agree with.



What Amy Bishop did was terrible and should not reflect on all academics. Neither should the decisions made by the academics who denied her tenure be a refection on all academics.

jan said...

Carol, I remember that you and Katy and I did a lot of our own digging to find the information we needed. We had some good teachers. I feel I had a good education. You are right, we had some teachers who probably were just there to collect their salary. The student also has some responsibility for her education.

jan said...

Coreen, I love this blog because Carol has given us a voice to say whatever we want and that is why I continue to be here. As merely a commenter, I respect your right to say whatever you want and I will do the same.

jan said...

"Looks like she ended up with Plan C"
Ivy LOL,

jan said...

Another incident of unchecked rage. The pilot in Austin who burned down his house and then crashed a plane into an office building.

jan said...

Carol, your comment above about how Amy Bishop will be spending time in jail and how she is likely to be treated reminds me of the woman years ago, Jean ??? who killed her well-known boyfriend in a jealous rage. She later said she had intended to kill herself too. Jean ??? went to prison for years, was a model prisoner and used the time to teach other women inmates life skills. Does anyone remember her last name and the name of the man she killed? When she killed ??? she was the "head person" in a girls school.

Ivy Green said...

Jan,
That was Jean Harris who murdered the Scarsdale Diet Doctor...

Coreen said...

The media loves to wallow in any personal fiasco of celebrities, politicians...but when
it involves one of their own....they seem to
have blinders on....apparently this has been
whispered about for months among the media elite, but not a word in the nightly gossip fests...tiger, john edwards, bill clinton....& didn't olberman spend months
on billo's falafel mess....


CNN's Jeffrey Toobin has his own 'baby mama drama'with CBS's Jeff Greenfield's daughter

Carol said...

"The Nutty Professor flipped out at IHOP in 2002"

Very cute Ivy. And expanding on your statement there, we can say.....she flipped her pancakes at IHOP.

Carol said...

And Jan I didn't mean to imply that I thought that any of our profs/instructors we had back then were in it for the money. They'd really have to be off their rockers if they thought that. It was just that some were teaching out of their specialty.

I seem to remember one problem was that we had the Psych prof teaching us the Med-Surg cardiac material. We found that to be a little scary.

I'll never forget one thing she told us. She asked us why, if we came across someone unconscious, would we first check for a pulse. We all tried to come up with a rational answer. She then said "no, it will give you time to figure out what in the hell to do next". Typical Psych instructor response.

Of course we all know now that if we come upon someone unconscious we check airway, breathing and circulation, and in that order but back then they hadn't yet invented CPR.

I do still often think about what that prof said when I'm checking someone's pulse. Sometimes I'm even trying to figure out what I'm going to do next. It does give you a moment to calm down during a crisis.

Carol said...

Ivy, Plan C may work out for Amy. She will have plenty of time to do some neuro research in the joint. She'll have some interesting subjects to work on.

Carol said...

Coreen, more juicy gossip and about someone who looks so innocent. Ya gotta watch those innocent looking guys.

Carol said...

Speaking of innocent, where or where are Chloe and Solar. We know Solar is alway professing to be innocent, but we know better.

jan said...

Ivy, thanks for the name of Jean Harris. I read a bio or autobio about her. I suppose I am fascinated by women who break from our usual expectations of women, whether for good or for bad.

Carol said...

Well, still no kitchen sink. My boys were at my house working on a some jobs I gave them over there. I went by and reminded them I needed my sink but they didn't get back here until not long before dark and the problem turned out to be more difficult than they thought. No surprise to me, it never turns out to be easy. I wanted to tell them that my sink is a priority to the jobs I gave them at my house, where I don't live right now. Men!

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Did they tell you what the pro'lem might be?

Carol said...

I need some help to figure out what I'm seeing. Look at these pics from the Olympics. Go to pic #10 where the two
Slovakian lugers Jan Harnis and Branislav Regec wipe out. Tell me what I'm seeing coming from the crouch of his pants. If it's a body part, it's in a bad way. Looks like shoe strings but don't know where they would be coming from.

Olympic Pictures

Carol said...

Ivy, I had already taken apart the pipes under the sink before they got here because I was tired of waiting. That wasn't the problem. I thought maybe it was at the next 90 degree turn but they were able to get a snake thru that area and nada. There are a couple of other 90s a good distance away where the problem has to be. That will require cutting up my pipe and looking for it. Not a real complicated problem but they will have to get all the parts and start earlier.

Carol said...

Well, no one has ventured a guess of what's coming out of that hole in the luger's suit. Anyone have an explanation for the hole?? It does appear that it is suppose to be there. Is it a vent? Inquiring minds want to know.

Carol said...

Interesting article on CNN about religion and young people.

"Church is difficult because young people today want to engage actively," Hill said. "They just want to experience God."

"A study released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public life appears to bear that out. On the one hand, it finds that young Americans are significantly less religious than their parents and grandparents were when they were young. But the report also suggests that many of the beliefs and faith-based practices of 18- to 29-year-olds mirror those of their elders."

"We're seeing among young people that there are ways of practicing faith and being religious outside of belonging to a religious organization or attending services."

Study: Young Americans less religious than their parents

jan said...

Carol, I tried twice to see the olympic pics you linked and both times my computer went wild so I have not seen the pics.

Did you all see the American win the gold in men's figure skating. The Russian got silver and the guy from Japan got third. I sure thought the Russian was going to get gold. But yaaaay for team USA

jan said...

Interesting study about religion and young people. We took our kids to church. My 2 oldest boys were the most involved and youngest less so as teens. Now the 2 oldest sons have not taken their kids to church but youngest has. I think it has more to do with their wives involvement in their respective churches.

jan said...

Carol, has are your plumbing issues going?

jan said...

hmmm supposed to be - how are your plumbing issues going?

Where is everybody?

Solar said...

.....will be in and out for a little while...Not a big fan of the Dog show, or the winter Olympics, so just caught up...I do like some of the summer O's but all in all, they fall into my not watching sports mostly..watched the Playoffs, and the Super Bowel, for the fun, that we had here....will not watch next super bowell unless I tape it so I can get past the commercials...I really did not enjoy it all that much...if it weren't for the Carol, and all of the exitment that we built here...I would have read about it.....they even had commercial when they were taking the cammeras away during the time that they were calling the play's.....did not want to say anything before...cos I did enjoy the win for the swamp, and all Louisiana...and liked all of the players,and the state...have not heard any bad storys about trouble; b/c of drunks, etc.


I simply can't stand the freeking tv yesterday, and today...I don't give a rats ass about Tiger woods, and the non stop bs is getting to me; now they will be doing the player apologist segments all fn weekend....I feel like Im an enabler of these things by watching.....later

ps and now that they have these stupid questions about how do U feel about it, and make this bs interactive with the dopes that emails them to the stations so they can fill in more time..so they can charge for more commercials...

jan said...

Solar, I do like some of the winter olympics, but I too am tired of the Tiger Woods stuff. We certainly don't have to agree on anything here. I am glad to hear your opinion and happy to see you back. I am missing everyone. I hope Carol is ok. She went back to work after being off -

Ivy Green said...

My dryer quit. Why does this kind of thing always happen on a Friday afternoon? Carol, I will be joining you at the laundromat this weekend.

If somebody puts up a new post, please don't make it a headline about Tiger. The apology was sincere and well-done, but it's time to get on with other business and leave him to his. I admire his mother.

Carol said...

Oh no Ivy. I'd just love to join you at the laundramat but my pipes are all fixed now. All fixed, at both places. I came home and the boys were at work under the camp. It's nice to do plumbing under the camp because they can work standing up, no crawling into dark, wet, scary places. There's even sunshine down there. Could even bring a picnic lunch if ya wanted to.

And Ivy, I'm not sure why our home maintenance problems always pick the worst possible time to plague us.

Carol said...

As far as Tiger is concerned, I haven't heard the "apology" yet but might check it out on the Web later. I'm not that interested. Not much for him to say, he let everyone else say it for him.

A friend, who heard his apology, told me that he said he wanted his privacy. I do have a little to say about that. If you choose the life of a celebrity, you give up your privacy. That's the trade off. For the big bucks, there are certain expectations. They are expected to be in the public eye, that is what make them a celebrity.

Now if Tiger decides to get out of golf and become a regular person like most of the rest of us, he should be left alone, but he can't have it both ways. That's just IMHO.

Carol said...

Solar, I thought that you might be interested in the findings discussed in that article about young people and religion. Even though the young people aren't as "religious", they did have similar beliefs and faith based practices as their elders.

If we eliminated all "religion", which institution in society would have the responsibility to teach children about ethics and morals? We aren't born that way. Even though there is a lot of hypocracy seen in the church, most of the teachings provided by religious organizations are similar and are basically good.

Many of these young people today were raised by parents and grandparents that did have some religion as part of their upbringing. What will our society look like when there are enough generations removed from all religious influence? I don't know. I'm asking for your opinion.

I'm glad I was encouraged to go to church when I was young. I learned things there, reinforced by my parents, that I think were important. I no longer feel the need to go to church but if I had kids, I think I would still want them to have started out with some Sunday school time under their belt. But I would have been a bit choicy about which church they would have gone to.

Ivy Green said...

Maybe we should get a post up about the Olympics? I just saw a report that the Russians are protesting their skating guy was robbed. Grow up. I thought the whole idea of the Olympics was to be above politics. Besides, I recall Nancy Kerrigan being "robbed" of a gold medal by a Russian skater, Oksana Baiul. What goes around comes around.

Ivy Green said...

The White House took the Dalai Lama out with the trash???

Carol said...

I hope we can continue to offer our ponders and opinions here on this blog. No one needs to agree and honest, sincere disagreement is encouraged and welcomed. Remember, none of us have to go to bed with each other afterwards even though that is optional.

I hope I have not attacked anyone for their opinion. If anyone feels like I have, I apologize, it wasn't intentional. I am opinionated but it is not a static state. My opinion can be changed when confronted with new information or a reasonable argument.

I may have started a flimsy little blog as an experiment but it was you guys that have turned it into a really special, even spiritual place. A place that has really expanded my universe. My life, down here in the swamp, is nice enough but pretty limited and fairly void of any culture and/or inspiration.

Ivy Green said...

I hope so too, Carol. The Swamp is a super place.

Carol said...

And Ivy, you have cultured me up quite a bit girl. It's been a joy to get to know ya. And I even feel like I know the Hubs.

Carol said...

The psychopathological analysis of the Tiger on the news is pretty amusing, at least for a few minutes. It gives you more insight into the morals of the person doing the analysis/commenting than it does of Tiger. I wonder if they realize this.

And as I found to be the case when Clinton had his little scandal, the people who were the most judgemental were the people who most wished they were in the position to do the same thing.

Carol said...

Ivy, what happened with the Dalai Lama?

Carol said...

Solar, I'm not much of a sports spectator but the Olympics is almost impossible not to watch. Many of the sports are fascinating even though I can pass up that curling that Coreen likes so much.

I have the Olympics on my TV and even if I'm doing something else, they grab my attention. The thrill of victory! The agony of defeat! I get my heart rate into aerobic territory just watching.

And Ivy, is anything, these days, above politics?

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
They didn't let the DL use the front door to the White House. The sneaked him out the back door where the trash was piled up...hoping the Chinese wouldn't notice. The Chinese aren't that dumb...they spotted him.

Carol said...

I know I'm showing my ignorance here, won't be the first or last time, but what do the Chinese have against the Dalai Lama?

Ivy Green said...

Actually, I liked the Russian skater. (What, are you a commie, says Hubs) lol

Carol said...

LOL Ivy. Is he the guy that shakes his booty, shakes his booty?

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
They are afraid of him - took over his country and exiled him. He is the spiritual and political leader of a separate people who want freedom. The Chinese govt. is afraid of their own people and the people are certainly afraid of their govt.

Ivy Green said...

This ice dancing is a bit like your Dancing with the Stars show...?

Carol said...

It is, but not quite as forgiving. I can't see how they don't get all tangled up in one another's feet. I sometimes get tripped up just watching it and trying to walk at the same time.

Ivy Green said...

I always wonder how their hair never moves...they are skating at a fair clip out there. Last night, Evan L.'s hair did move...I thought "oh no, do they deduct for that?"

Carol said...

LOL

Carol said...

I think that guy had a few drinks before his run.

Carol said...

but I think he rolled at a pretty good speed.

Ivy Green said...

The Russian guy is the only one with floppy hair. Maybe that's what I like about him.

Ivy Green said...

Carol, are you going to put up an Olympics thread?

Carol said...

Not my expertise Ivy. Go for it. I've been a little thread bare Ivy.

Carol said...

If you don't want to Ivy, you can pass it to our sports editor.

Ivy Green said...

Where is she? We need her back.

Carol said...

Yoo Hoo, Ms. Sport's Editor......Anyone home?

Carol said...

I'm still waiting for someone to explain that hole I spied in the luger's pants last night. If you don't know, just say so. If it's too embarrassing to say, just whisper.

Ivy Green said...

I couldn't find the picture you were referring to. If it was a wardrobe malfunction, I'm sure it would have been all anyone was talking about.

Carol said...

No, I think it must have a purpose. I put up the link. All you have to do is pull it up and click to the 10th pic. The hole is front and center and must be there for a reason. It wasn't a tear. I blew the pic up to 400% but still couldn't figure it out. No, I'm not a perv, there must be a reason for it.

Carol said...

When you luging down the course at 90 mph, it ain't a great place to have a window.

Carol said...

That was a terrible spill. He has to be injured.

Coreen said...

Best guess, luge suit black patch is just part of the suit....your pic doesn't look like a
hole, opening, just a patch....

Tiger's day, waste of time...as you would expect I think the sex addiction treatment is
a crock...big money maker for the 'institutes'
that make a living from it...

As far as Tiger goes....he's a guy, with lots of money, celebrity, & took advantage of all
that is available to high profile, big bucks
celebrities....but don't think he owes the
world an apology...when he is ready to play golf, he should & if he starts winning, it will be old news....not sure where the media & fandom gets the idea that the celebs owe them something other then giving the best performance in their field....if you don't want to support them don't....

Carol said...

I still think they reason they pay these celebrities/athletes the big bucks is because of the rabid interest people have in them. They are a marketable product. The package is all inclusive. I certainly could care less what he does in his off time and not much more what he does on the course. If it's on the TV, I'm probably more likely to watch him than any other golfers because he does have great form and he's great at getting out of a tough spot. I did notice that for a while, he just didn't look like his old self. Didn't have the old spark.

Carol said...

There also appears to be two thin bands coming from that hole or patch. What do they attach to? Just strange looking.

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
So good to see you back. We need our "sports editor."

Ivy Green said...

There's good rehabs and bad rehabs. The one Tiger went to is highly professional.

Coreen said...

Not a big Tiger Woods fan, while I respect
his golfing, he is a superb golfer,no question he has added lots of money to the tour for all the pro golfers, since the tour's purses from sponsors, the gate, etc. has grown lots because of Tiger Woods & the advertisers obviously believe he was an asset to selling their products, not sure that is ever true but...

Tiger had I think a knee injury that needed some surgery maybe last season or the one before, which may have accounted for some of his not being quite himself....

by the way, do you buy things because a celebrity recommends them? I know the target age is like 20-50, but honestly do not recall
ever wanting something because some celeb was
the spokesperson for the product.

Carol said...

I do believe that if and when Tiger comes back to play, there will be much more interest in him than ever before. People love a good scandal and they'll want to see how he handles it all. It certainly might screw with his focus. He'll really need his meditation practice.

Coreen said...

The bands almost look like some sort of elastic
bands...is it possible that somehow one luger is attached to the other one he/she's laying on?...Don't really know, but it does look like
some sort of 2 bands going back from the patch...

Carol said...

I've never purchased anything because of who endorsed it, but there must be many who do or they wouldn't spend so much paying for those sponsers. I'm too cheap.

I used to buy things only if they looked good on the coat hanger. My figure was pretty much the same as a coat hanger.

Carol said...

I thought something similar about those bands, Coreen. It wouldn't be pleasant experience if those bands were stretched and snapped back.

Ivy Green said...

I bought the George Foreman grill when they were popular. Can't remember the last time I used it. Usually when the gas grill runs out of gas...like it did tonight, but the chicken breasts were done by then.

lol

Coreen said...

But did you buy it because George Forman was selling it?

Have one, it makes easy grilled cheese....

Carol said...

Guys crouches do catch my attention Coreen, especially when they are the center of focus in a picture. I can't help it. That unusual spot there just made it even more curious.

Carol said...

I have two George's. One little one and a big one with an adjustable temp. Good for bacon and grilling a burger. I didn't really know and had to go look to see if my big one was really a George and it is. As far as I knew, it could have been a Harry or a John.

Coreen said...

Guess the photographer that snapped it was either really good or really bad...depends on your perspective...

But honestly since every part of allsports clothing, apparatus is so finely tuned
to provide an edge, in any sport, it must have
some useful purpose....

Ivy Green said...

Probably, because George is so funny...he named all five of his sons George and they were in the ad. lol

Carol said...

Did you blow up the pic Coreen? The area looks recessed with those bands coming out. Need to get Jan's eyes on it. She knows her material.

Ivy Green said...

The entire purpose of an ad is to get you to remember it...it's been years since that George ad and I still remember it...must have been doing something right.

Ivy Green said...

Did George ever have a scandal?

Coreen said...

My theory is that at most you may remember the
celeb that was selling the item....not that
you necessarily buy it because of the celeb...but when you are buying something, you may remember the ad because of the celeb...

Did not blow up the pic, don't even know how
I would do it...but I am reasonably sure it has
a purpose...

Carol said...

I agree it has a purpose and won't quit pondering until I know what that purpose is.

Ivy Green said...

I got caught with one batch of wet towels when the dryer quit. It spins but there's no heat. So I'm "drying" them on cold air...takes ten times as long...just trying to get enough water out so I can hang them up. I guess I have to cancel our laundromat date, Carol. Will do no more laundry until the repair man comes Tuesday. If Hubs needs more socks or underwear, he'll have to go to Wal-Mart. lol

Ivy Green said...

My mom calls all those styles of grills "George Foremans" whether they are or not. When your name becomes generic for a type of product, you've hit one out of the ballpark. :)

Carol said...

I just did some surfing the web on luge clothing. I couldn't find anything specific about the pants or about that area but they do stress that the clothing must fit skin tight for aerodynamics. It just might be a air relief vent.

I also ran across a viral video where some poor female luger split the entire back seam of her pants while bent over pushing her sled. They stopped the video before she got on her sled but I will bet she did it really fast. She gave new meaning to the saying, cool you buns.

Carol said...

Actually she was a bobsledder, not a luger. My bad.

jan said...

I watched all of the long figure skating programs by Evan and Pluschenko. I would have had great difficulty in judging them, but the 2 commenters who were talking during their skating seemed to favor Evan. Pluschenko is definitely a showman. I hear Putin is getting in on the act too.

wish I could have opened your link of the pics you posted Carol, but every time I did, my computer went mad and started spurting out blank pages and I would have to log off and turn it off. So sorry I cannot comment on the fabrics or materials.

jan said...

I am glad Evan got the gold. while they were on the podium, Plushenko, the Russian looked pretty unhappy about getting Silver. He was hoping to equal Dick Button's feat of getting gold 2 olympics in a row. Too bad. the camera kept sliding between Evan and Plushenko.

jan said...

I watched the taped version of Tiger's apology. It was pretty standard 12 step program - 9 step - making amends.

jan said...

should have read 9th step.

jan said...

I had to watch the taped mens skating tonight. I just can't watch it all in one night. Evan and Pushenko skated late. I go to bed at 9:30. I think the women are skating tonight. I will watch tomorrow and zip thru the commercials.

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