Tuesday, November 3, 2009

Long Island Sound, Stormy & Serene






































































































Last week on a rainy, stormy day we went down to the Seawall in Lordship, CT for lunch.

It was windy & raining, and I was able to get some views of Long Island Sound in a storm.

The visibility was very low & the waves were surging toward the shore, & I did get wet
taking them. It rained all that day, but the next morning the sun was out & I took a ride to the Seawall again. Just 24 hours later those storm tossed waves, had returned to the calm &
serene Sound that those who live nearby enjoy.

The shoreline in Lordship, as you can see is beachlike, at least at low tide. The long view of the shore shows a lighthouse about a mile away,which sits at the mouth of the Housatonic River as it
enters Long Island Sound.
The Seawall Lookout is a popular place to walk,& look out towards Port Jefferson, Long Island,
New York. The 2 photos of the Sound show the outline of Long Island, NY at the horizon
line. NY is about 20 miles across the sound, & there is a ferry that travels from Bridgeport to
New York, every day. If you enlarge the second sound photo, I think you will see two smokestacks at Port Jefferson, a visual point of reference for anyone who lives here. And you may be able to see a seagull in the rain as well as the sun beach scenes.



154 comments:

Coreen said...

Sorry I took so much space to share these pics,
but could not convey the contrast from storm
to calm in just a few.

Chloe said...

Coreen, Such beautiful pictures. I can't believe the difference in day one and day two.

I'm glad you got so many good shots, because I've never seen the Atlantic up close and personal. I've never seen houses that close to the ocean on the Pacific. In California, the houses that close were always up on stilts.

I really love those pictures Coreen.

Chloe said...

... from the last thread:
"introverts are people who find other people tiring." "Extroverts are energized by people, and wilt or fade when alone".

Coreen, Thanks for linking this site. I actually think that what it says in the two sentences I just quoted is what I was talking about. I said that introverts are over stimulated by being around too many people, but I now think 'stimuled' was the wrong word. I should haves 'overloaded', imo. But, I I also like what your article said, that they can find (I'd say too much of) other people tiring.

..from that same post:
"Now you know why I do not analyse actions, in the end there is just no answer."

That's precisely why I do like to analyze actions: because it is so subjective. I like the fact that there is no answer and think the interesting part is in the process (of analyzing). It's great fun to discuss things, and have no idea where they're going to end up.

Solar, I don't agree with the idea that we can't analyze ourselves. Not only do I think we can do a better job of that than anyone else, but I think it's extremely important to do it on a regualr basis.

Chloe said...

Carol, I saw your post on that thread too, saying that you don't feel like seeing people, or even talking on the phone after a hard day at work, but you do like talking to those on line.

I think communicating on the computer is totally different than communicating in person or on the phone. For one thing (and most important, imo) is that it gives us complete control. If we hit overload, we can click a button, and it's all gone.



"I often feel that I know the least about you of anyone else here."

Maybe there's not much to know Carol. Besides, I'd rather talk about anyone, other than myself.

Coreen said...

Chloe,

Just about to leave for office, glad you like
my efforts, but Long Island Sound
is not actually the Atlantic Ocean, it is
I think they would call it a tributary of the
Atlantic, if you look at a USA map, it is
a pretty tiny piece of water, like a puddle
compared to any of the Great Lakes, that opens
into the Atlantic.

Chloe said...

Thank Coreen, I'll take a look. I was thinking it had to be calmer, with those house right there.

Have a great day!

Chloe said...

I'm on the run too today, but wanted to come back and leave a link to this site. Lots of information, links and more nice pictures.

What Makes Long Island Sound Special?

RebelliousRenee said...

Finally got a few minutes to look at this blog....
just want to say to Chloe that the pictures of Emma are toooo
cute!

RebelliousRenee said...

Sorry I haven't been here.... I'm dealing with parents that need an awful lot of help now and trying to finish up my Xmas orders of scarves for my galleries....

only have time to post a little bit over on TrailMix lately....
hope everyone here is doing ok.... take care!

Chloe said...

Thanks Renee! And it's good to see you here.
Hope your parents are doing ok. It's good that you live near them, and are able to help them when they need it.

I'd forgotten how busy you must be filling those Xmas orders, and am glad it's doing something that you love doing so much. Wish we could see some of the finished product, if you ever take a photo of them. Hope to see you here whenever you can be.

Chloe said...

Carol, I'm wondering if you're still at your doctors. Hope you got a clean bill of health. I have to see mine only once a year too, and always try to get out of it, until they cancel my prescriptions 'til I get my rear in there. I made it about a year and a half this time before they did that. (Ha.. but it felt like yesterday - how time flies).

I know you didn't get much sleep last night, so I bet you conk out early.

Chloe said...

I'm thinking about taking the threat of this flu a little more seriously, and stopping so much of the gallivanting around I've been doing. Carol, what you said about the play area at the mall is probably true, at least during this heavy traffic time of the year. The following article said that 'a lot of people may be ambivalent about vaccination', but I can't believe they're even saying that, since it's not even available yet. I've called around and no one around here has it yet. First they tell us how dangerous it is, then we find out we can't get the vaccine anyway.

H1N1 Flu: Hitting the Young, but Riskier for the Old
"As the number of H1N1 cases continues to climb in the U.S., researchers are collecting more and more data on the spread of the pandemic flu and getting a clearer picture of its victims — who is most vulnerable to H1N1, how the most severe cases progress and which risk factors tend to contribute to life-threatening disease.

The latest study, published this week in the Journal of the American Medical Association, offers a snapshot of 1,088 H1N1 cases in California that were severe enough to require hospitalization — or resulted in death — between April 23 and Aug. 11 of this year. Experts at the California Department of Public Health, who led the study, say their findings are largely in line with the growing body of data on the worldwide pandemic flu, confirming, for instance, that the 2009 H1N1 flu disproportionately affects younger patients. The California research team found that the median age of hospitalized H1N1 patients was 27, much lower than the median age of seasonal flu sufferers.

While H1N1 infection results in mild or moderate disease in most patients — indeed, the most severe cases account for a small proportion of overall infections — a subset of patients are harder hit, the data shows. And in those patients, the disease can often quickly become life-threatening. "The major point of our findings is that there has been a lot of perception that this is a mild disease, and a lot of people may be ambivalent about vaccination," says Dr. Janice Louie, a public-health medical officer at the California Department of Public Health and the study's lead author. "But for those patients who were hospitalized, 30% required intensive care. This is something that clinicians should be aware of when patients walk into their clinic or office with signs of flu.

Among hospitalized patients in the study, 118 died — an overall 11% fatality rate. Although the rate of hospitalization was highest among infants under 2 months old, the rate of death was highest in patients over age 50; H1N1 was least likely to turn fatal in patients under age 17. Yet with all the focus in the media on the vulnerability of younger patients to infection, the elderly may have been somewhat dangerously overlooked, says Louie. Although older patients may not be at high risk of getting infected in the first place (thanks to their residual immunity to the virus from previous outbreaks of H1N1), their risk of death from the disease may be higher than that of younger patients, due primarily to their higher rates of underlying conditions, such as heart disease, reduced lung function, diabetes and emphysema." H1N1 Flu: Hitting the Young, but Riskier for the Old

Carol said...

Coreen, great pics. From the countryside to the seaside. Don't be sorry for posting so many nice pics. The more the merrier.

How did you get that many pics to go on one post. We couldn't do it. I guess just leave it to a lawyer to make it happen.

Well no sports tonight. I need a rest. That Saints game last night was a thriller down to the last, very late, minute.

I went out to admire the full moon and saw something swimming out in the water. In the moonlight I thought it was a alligator but finally got a better look and it was a beav. First one I actually spied. Not the Giant Beav I been looking for but a little beav.

Hi Renee. Nice to hear from you. Happy weaving.

Chloe said...

Coreen, Reading Carols post, I just realized you got more than 5 pics to download. It would never take more than 5 for me, so I guess I'd better check to see what I was doing wrong next time.

I noticed Craig has an election results thread going, so I guess I'll just check there occasionally to see what's happening.

Coreen said...

Evening Chloe,

Seems we are alone tonite. I was working on
that sweater, almost finished, but I still have
the angel afghan to finish. During the baseball games I would not be able to give
full attention so I just left it, now I have
to catch up.

While I have never had a flu shot, my family
members have, but just the regular flu shot.

I have an appt in December for a checkup, she
may suggest I get one, will have to see.

Carol said...

Thanks for posting that flu info. Mary told me to tell you guys that she got the vaccine a week ago Monday and she's still kicking. My hospital said I could come in for it but don't have the time. I'll check on Mary in a few days to see if she has any side effects, if not I may go for it.

Sorry Chloe, that you can't find the vaccine yet. I was worried about that play area. Maybe you should wait until a couple of weeks after she gets the vaccine to let her go back. Usually takes that long for full immunity to kick in.

Chloe said...

Coreen, Emma and I got the regular flu shot already. I'd don't ever hesitate to get it in October, since about 5 or 6 years ago I, when I was so sick with the flu, that I said never again.

"During the baseball games I would not be able to give full attention"

Oooommm, perfectionism. :)
Hope you take a picture of that sweater when you're done.

Carol said...

The coroner announced the other day that it was the swine flu that killed that 13 year old here. He also had asthma. It scared the other kids and their familier around here.

Coreen said...

Not perfection, but I could drop a stitch, then have to re-do it.

There is one person who I think may strive
for perfection. Did you ever watch or read
Martha Stewart things.

On just about any of her shows, whatever the
project, she would always describe the finished
product as 'perfect'.

Chloe said...

I never thought to check the hospital for the H1N1 shot Carol. It can't hurt. Maybe they'll have information if nothing else.

The reason I linked that article, is because it had some information that's new in it. Jan had told us that we may have some immunity, which the article said too. But, it also said, that those over 50 are more likely to get a serious case, even fatal.

Carol, Do you think the regular flu shot will help with the H1N1 at all?

Carol said...

I get my regular flu shot every year. Don't forget that regular flu is killer also we just don't hear that much about it.

Carol said...

I don't think so Chloe.

Carol said...

But it at least knocks one out of the way.

Chloe said...

Yes, I've seen Martha Stewart Coreen, and I smiled when I read what you said about her always saying 'perfect'. I can't imagine her settling for less, but she is one in what? A few million.

I respect anyone that strives for perfection. I think we all do with certain things. I was just kidding around with you, because of the test we all took (and knew you didn't agree with it).

Coreen said...

Carol, wouldn't you be in a group that would
get priority for h1n1.

Carol said...

Remember that one kills also.

Carol said...

I talked with my pharmacist the other day and she told me I could come in for the vaccine. I already took the regular one, they send the the vaccines to us at the jail. I will have to go in for the H1N1 because they have to go online and register you before giving the vaccine.

Chloe said...

"He also had asthma."

Asthma is one of the risk factors in that article. So is high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and gastrointestinal diseases. More like to be fatal.

Carol said...

Maybe they will be implanting our tracer chip at the same time??? Ask Solar.

Chloe said...

Carol, that's reassuring that you've got them there. I haven't even checked this week. I'll call around again tomorrow.

What did your doc say? Clean bill of health?

Carol said...

We have our plan in place at the jail. Please "Mary", not my sister, I'm asking for another favor.

Chloe said...

Solar, Is Carol right? You think that they'll be implanting us at the same time?

Chloe said...

Carol, I noticed we're losing some of our people from other countries. But we're picking some more up in Texas and California. One from Woodland Hills, which is not far from where we used to live.

If you could get an appearance on the nightly news, and put in a plug for the blog, I bet we get a huge load up people dropping in.

Carol said...

Actually not Chloe, never know, could be dying but aren't we all. That's a joke. Going to the Doc does not provide immunity from death.

I do have to go back for my blood work when I think I can go without coffee until 8a when they open. Don't know when that will be. Maybe in a few years. If someone could just come over before I wake up and snag that blood.
Solar. I have a job for you.

Carol said...

We still have our dude or dudette from the Russian Fed. Wouldn't want to lose that one. Never know when you might need a Russian.

Carol said...

Some may have dropped out to evaluate their personalities. Needed their "me" time.

Carol said...

Did Jan say she got her vaccine?

Chloe said...

LOL Carol, I'm the same way. I hate to go for blood work, because I can't go without my coffee 'til I get there. I can't stand the thought of crawling out of bed in the morning, and consuming nothing but water. The thought of that coffee is what gets me up.

Chloe said...

During the day, when I'm here (almost alone) I'll see someone else here from places unknown, and they'll spend a long time here, but never leave a comment.

Carol said...

Coffee and checking in here are the two highlights of my morning.

Chloe said...

I don't think Jan was able to get it yet. I was wondering about availability in her area. I can't remember exactly what she said about it. She did say that she thought we may have some immunity because of a flu a lot of us were exposed to in the '50s (at least I think she said the 50s). And she was concerned that youngsters all got there's.

She said that when they did those toddlers and children, they used a nasal vaccine, and that they must be 2yrs old to get that one.

Well, I'm going to wind down early. I'm not used to the time change yet. It takes me a while, I keep thinking about what time it 'really' is.

See you all tomorrow. Catch up on your sleep tonight Carol.

Chloe said...

Mine too Carol.

Carol said...

You know what is weird? Mary did that test using her idea of what I was like. She told me that she had me as a ENTP. I said "E"???? That is her impression of me.

I said I never go anywhere or hang out with any people, why would you think I would be an "E"? She said because when I do go out with family, I do entertain the group. I guess I do on our once a year family gathering but I don't think that qualifies me as an "E". It is like what Ivy says, an I in E clothing.

Chloe said...

... it was really nice finding Coreen's pictures here this morning.

nite

Carol said...

Nite Chloe.

Chloe said...

You'd think your twin would know. But you do seem awfully outgoing at times. But why did she take the test with what she thought you'd answer?

Chloe said...

Carol, Is Mary (your sister) an I or an E?

jan said...

Wow! Coreen, your pictures blow me away. Now I really miss the beach and ocean. Good job!

Carol said...

Mary's also an I but she sees me as an E. Can fool some of the people some of the time....

jan said...

I did get my seasonal flu shot almost 2 weeks ago. I think if you get the H1N1 you should get it. We are seriously undersupplied in this area of the H1N1. Because of the H1N1 scare, a lot more people here are getting the Seasonal flu shot so we are running out.

jan said...

The introversion part of the MB does not mean you don't socialize with people or are not the life of the party, etc. It just means that you can only take so much of being with people. I think of it as having to get by myself to recharge my batteries. I had students with me all day - and it is like hell for me to do that. I guess that is my idea of hell- being with people all the time - and not able to get by myself.

jan said...

A school nurse I work with came down with H1N1 2 weeks ago. She developed Pneumonia and was in Intensive care unit for 5 days. I don't know her exact age but I think in her early 50's.

Chloe, thanks for copying all that info about H1N1 and age groups.

jan said...

Coreen, I don't know your area, but I am sure enjoying the pictures. I would have sworn the water was the atlantic.

Carol said...

Jan, do you think that Es would be at higher risk for the flu? Maybe our I offers us a little better protection?

jan said...

"Maybe there's not much to know Carol. Besides, I'd rather talk about anyone, other than myself."
Chloe, lets see - you spend a lot of time with Emma - She is very important to you - this is a no-brainer. You have recently put some new windows in your home and you love to watch the hummers through these windows. Like me, you are an INFJ. I wonder if you have ever done counseling of some kind. You are great at encouraging others to talk about themselves. Anything else you would like to tell about yourself?

jan said...

Carol, Hmmm Are E's more at risk for flu than I's? Interesting question.

jan said...

My statement above does not make sense. I meant to say "If you CAN get the H1N1 vaccine, it would be a good idea to get it."

Ivy Green said...

Sorry I haven't been posting much, especially about one of my favorite topics. But I see you all have had a fantastic discussion , and I am in good company with folks who really have knowledge about personality types. I think they are fun, but I also think they are much more than "just for fun." It has been a key to understanding, acceptance, appreciation and improved relationships with all the key people in my life. Most of all, I gained insight into my own way of getting along with the world.

jan said...

Ivy, Ditto about the personality types.

jan said...

Ivy, beautifully said.

Coreen said...

Sorry, I had checked out to try to find how
to do a certain knitting stitch & I did find
it on Youtube! Wonderful.

My pleasure to share the pics.

CT & NY share Long Island Sound, and while it
is not the Atlantic, it flows out or the Atlantic flows in at its mouth at Rhode Island
and Montauck Point, NY.

While it is not the Atlantic, it can certainly
be dangerous in a storm. The seawall where I
took the phots, has been overswept with waves
during like a hurricane, makes for a local
attraction to go down to the seawall & see what happens.

Carol, not sure why I was allowed to post more pics than you guys, must be the computer doesn't want to get me angry.... I did try to
place them side by side, & it looked like that
was the setup, but when I previewed it they
all were rearranged. I was not comfortable
taking up all the space, but wanted to capture
the transformation from storm to calm.

jan said...

The first time I took the MB personality test and got the results - the only way to describe how I felt - was freeing. It was OK to be who I was, to be me.

jan said...

Coreen, don't worry about taking the space.

jan said...

I am pretty wiped out - so am going to bed to read. nite all.

Ivy Green said...

Meg spent the day at the vet. I just picked her up a little while ago. She has some kind of skin infection, but it was also time to get her diabetes blood work done. Her blood sugar was drastically low. 98. The vet said that is extremely low. Too high would be around 350. So we will be adjusting her insulin lower. The vet says it is more dangerous for it to be too low that for it to be high. I don't understand it the way I probably should, it is a very complex disease. And Meg can't speak up for herself to let us know when she is poorly.

Coreen said...

Jan, I think it was the time change, since
Sunday, I have been really tired by the end of the day.

Take care all.

Ivy Green said...

I didn't really understand my introversion until my professor drew chalk figures on the board. He drew "the General in the tent," and "the General's aide-de-camp." He said when a someone speaks to an introvert, they may think they are talking directly to the General. But they are not. The are speaking to the aide-de-camp outside the tent. The aide carries the message inside the tent, and then carries the response back outside to the person. It is a humorous analogy, but a very apt one. I finally understood why I had always felt one step behind in conversations and in classroom lectures. The "E'S" are speeding ahead while my slow-poke aide-de-camp is still carrying messages. lol

Carol said...

Trying to do my bedtime ritual and run back and keep up.

Coreen why are you worrying about taking up room. We aren't crowded here. I got all the space I ever had over here. I like lots of pics.

Ivy, even with people, it is safer to be too high than too low. Too low can damage the brain and nervous system really fast.

If a person does not have a blood glucose monitor or if they don't monitor their blood sugar, it is better to keep them on the high side so there isn't that lethal blood sugar drop. The brain and nervous system do not need insulin to use glucose, they just need glucose to function.

You're right, it is very complex.

thornwil said...

I took the test and came out as an ISFJ. I had left the site and went back and wanted to get to the next page so I had to take it again. That time I decided to do it as I saw Carol. I don't know why she came out an E because I know she likes her alone time and I answered it that way.

Carol said...

Just had a call from the joint. Arrested a guy with a liver transplant, with a suitcase full of drugs he has to take. Security had to read them all to me and I told him which ones the guy could take. Was hoping we could get rid of that one soon but nooooooo, he is being charged with a bad bad thing. Figures. Just my luck!

Carol said...

Cute analogy Ivy. Makes sense.

Carol said...

And one more comment before hitting the sack and adding to the 3 hours of sleep I got last night. Ivy I do miss the poetry. Those neat prayer poems. If you like to share one sometimes.

Carol said...

Ya'll were commenting on feeling tired earlier with this time change but I find myself at 9p thinking it is still early. Yes, I know that makes no sense. I guess it's just been that the last two days were very busy and the time just flew by.

I was talking to one of my friends on the phone last night, let me take that back, pretty much my only friend who actually qualifies as a good friend these days, and she really hates my being on the computer. She really hates that I enjoy it. Believe me it really hasn't taken away any of our quality time.

We have been friends for many years but have nothing much in common. I try to fake a little enthusiasm for her interests and she does the same for me. She's an extreme OC neat freak, me the opposite. We both do love to cook and eat, that is probably the only interest we share.

I would call us friends of desparation or friends of shared misery except that I am not miserable anymore. She has had a really tough time lately. Had some serious crises. Really needs a friend right now.

She doesn't get on the computer but even if she did, this is stuff we do discuss. She was bitching that when she talks to me on the phone she hears these long pauses and she knows I am reading something. I do try to walk away from the computer when I talk to her but we talk often for short periods and it is hard to move away every time.

She thinks what I am doing here is crazy. That's OK with me since I do have the right to choose any crazy stuff I want. Hell, she watches soap operas and hear her concentration fade when they are on. I don't get that but I put up with it. I can tell that most of the stuff I like to talk about is really of no interest to her and I might as well be talking to Maggie. She fakes more of an interest.

I did tell her that I was sorry but I had to look far and wide to find some people who shared some similar interests. It took looking all over, pretty much, the entire US to find them. We do cover a good bit of it, east to west to north and south. Thank you Bill Gates.

Carol said...

I see we picked up a New Orleans lurker. Hello New Orleans. They ought to be very familiar with swamps.

Carol said...

Oh Ivy, we have a rough one coming up this weekend. The game... You'll have to give me all those spread points.

It will all depend on how hard we can pray and how much they still hate Saban. With our history of recent hurricanes, we have learned to pray pretty hard and I still think that old Nickie is on the s--- list.

Carol said...

And just so we don't confuse anyone out there lurking with diabetes, a blood glucose in the 90s is great. I jump up and down when I get my patient's with diabetes there. I can see where it could present a problem with animals when you can't constantly check blood sugars and they can't tell you when they feel like they are getting too low.

I'd be a nervous wreck if I had a pet with diabetes. Just know too much.

Ivy Green said...

Hey Carol...

Ivy Green said...

We can talk Alabama-LSU as it gets closer. Yes, my really die-hard fan friends are quite nervous. They're always reacting to this-or-that rumor. I try to remain skeptical until it really happens.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Are you looking for feedback or advice with you OCD friend?

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Why do they hate Saban? Wasn't he a winning coach for them? We've had a lot of coaching turmoil in Alabama in the last 10 years...I don't think we hate any of them. We just move forward and replace him.

Ivy Green said...

Right now, Coach is "St. Nick." I wouldn't call him jolly or old, but he is sainted. Somebody's always trying to stir up trouble though. No different than politics. One day, I would like to have an understanding of what kind of brain disorientation is it in some people that they can deliberately and knowingly spread disinformation.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
What blood glucose number should we humans be aiming for? Is the people chart different than the dog chart? I'm looking a lab report of mine from last spring and it shows "Glucose serum 82." It's not flagged, and my doctor hasn't called it to my attention.

I've read that following a diabetic diet would be optimal for everybody, we'd be healthier if the did that. What are your thoughts on that?

Ivy Green said...

Carol must have left for work...

Ivy Green said...

To continue in the meantime, I am comparing plans for pet health insurance. Trying to decide if it's worth it to pay premium or stay "self insured." As pets get older, illness is inevitable, as evidenced with Meg. I would not sign her up because there are too many pre-existing conditions. But the other two, it might be a cost-effective thing.
We ended up paying several thousand dollars out-of-pocket when our first scottie got lymphoma, and we still had to let her go in the end. It's hard to say "no" to treatment when the medical personnel are telling you there's still a chance. You have to go with your gut. For an "N" person, that can override the data. We extended our dog's life by about four months and they were happy months for the most part, so we didn't regret it. When the time for suffering is done, they let you know.

Coreen said...

Ivy,

Saw your posts about your dog Meg & diabetes.
There is lots to learn when a pet develops a
chronic disease & sometimes you feel helpless
since they cannot communicate to you.

I have had 2 diabetic cats, years ago I had
to rely more on the vet to administer the insulin, check the blood, fluids, but more recently, advancements allowed me to do much
of it at home. I learned how to give
insulin, checked blood sugar daily using people monitors. With cats you can
prick their ear for a blood drop to test. I also had to give fluids daily as well, by using
a drip setup. I learned to do it & the last
cat lived well for several years.

The commitment to helping your pet with these
chronic conditions is substantial, but I would without question do it all again to help
any of my pets.

You may want to check the web for info about
dogs & diabetes, I found some very helpful info
re: cats when I needed to teach myself. My
vet was very helpful as well.

thornwil said...

Ivy, I think Carol did go to work. 82 for a fasting blood sugar for you is good. From what you said about what your vet told you, their normal blood sugars must run higher than peoples.
I've always heard that pet insurance is very high and that it's not worth it. I'm like you. I would go into major debt for my little dog. I've already told my vet if he ever has to put Petey down, he may as well get two injections ready, One for me, also.

Coreen said...

Ivy,

As far as pet insurance, I would not be inclined to get it. I would be very careful
about what it actually covers.

Though whenever a pet gets sick the costs are
high, I think most ardent pet people would
go in debt if need be to assist their fur family member.

For me, I have done everything for my cats, but
I am not sure that I would subject them to
invasive prccedures, surgery, stays at the vet,
if a terminal disease was involved, I would
most likely do everything to care for them at
home, until the time came to let go. I have
done this many times, several of my cats lived
with kidney failure, I did all I could to
care for them w/o considering transplants, & the like, & in the end kind of knew when it was
time to let them go & call the vet to help.

One thing I did learn over the years, when that
time comes, I must be with my pet, no matter
how painful, I know the last voice & touch that
pet will have is knowing I am there with her/him. But that is just me.

Ivy Green said...

Coreen and Jan,
Thanks for the input and feedback. I have to get on with some errands now (I have to go buy some "pill pockets" for Meg, she's on antibiotic for the skin infection), but I'll be back to take up these subjects some more. You have encouraged me in the meantime. I am in total agreement with you, Coreen, about handling things at the end. I stayed with my dog, holding her and thanking her until she breathed no more. I could never have "dropped her off" for euthanasia as some people say they do.

I have also held the hand of two people as they died. It's a difficult but sacred duty that God sometimes gives one to perform.

Chloe said...

"He said when a someone speaks to an introvert, they may think they are talking directly to the General. But they are not. They are speaking to the aide-de-camp outside the tent. The aide carries the message inside the tent, and then carries the response back outside to the person."

Ivy, I love that analogy. What an amazing way to put it. What your professor said drew a picture in my mind, and a picture 'really is' worth a thousand words.

Ivy, You know how you said you sometimes feel a step behind. Don't you sometimes feel a step ahead too? Just sorta off sync one way or the other. I do.

It seems to me that - that little messenger (aide-de-camp) could also be thought of as a liaison. That the aide-de-camp' 'aids' us in keeping a slight distance (buffer) between ourselves and those outside our inner world. I can't help but think of our aide as a defense mechanism, as possibly a way of keeping distance.

You know....doesn’t that sound exhausting? No wonder we need to charge our batteries after too much contact with others. Our aide probably needs a little time off now and then too. R&R.

Chloe said...

jan said...
"The introversion part of the MB does not mean you don't socialize with people or are not the life of the party, etc. It just means that you can only take so much of being with people. I think of it as having to get by myself to recharge my batteries. I had students with me all day - and it is like hell for me to do that. I guess that is my idea of hell- being with people all the time - and not able to get by myself."
November 3, 2009 6:32:00 PM PST

Jan, Thank you so much for clarifying that again. I keep losing site of it (but usually only temporarily).

Because I'm the exact same way, this made me so glad you're able to retire: "I guess that is my idea of hell- being with people all the time - and not able to get by myself."

You're going to be able to concentrate on whatever it is that makes you happiest. You have a whole new journey ahead of you, a new beginning, or just a continuation of what you enjoy doing most. However you look at it, I think you're going to have the time of your life.

Coreen said...

Had to go to the Mall this a.m. for my calendars. Picked up Andrea Bocelli's new cd "My Christmas".

If you enjoy Christmas, it is a really enjoyable listen.

He sings The Christmas Song with Natalie Cole,
does a beautiful version of The Lord's Prayer with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, and other
standards---White Christmas, Blue Christmas,
Silent Night, Jingle Bells, O Tannenbaum.

Also, got Rod Stewart's latest "Soulbook", if you like his raspy voice, I think you will like this.

Carol said...

"The normal fasting value for blood glucose in dogs and cats is 75-120 mg/dL"

Normal fasting blood glucose in dogs and cats

In people it is between 70-100 fasting.

Carol said...

Yes Ivy, following a diabetic diet would be great for everyone. Low in fat, low in salt, balanced and portion controlled.

jan said...

Ivy, I too loved that information from one of your professors about the "Aide de Camp" so very true.

Chloe - a good follow up of this bit of information. The little aide de camp needs some time off too.

Carol said...

Time for Christmas music. I like Mannheim Steamroller Coreen.

Carol said...

I diagnosed four 20-28 year old healthy black men with flu today. They had never been to medical before. They said symptoms started Monday but started complaining late last night. I'm fairly sure it is the Swine. Have them isolated. They all came out of the same pod so I closed that pod to any in or out traffic.

jan said...

we have been lucky with our animal companion. We have had few vet bills. Lobie has some eccentricities. If we take her with us in the car she will not eat or drink anything until we get into a dwelling of some kind -either back home or into a motel, etc. She will pee however if we stop and get her out of the car. We learned this several years ago when we took her to Arkansas with us. We drove home in 11 hours and she would not drink anything. We stopped often and tried to get her to drink and she would not. When we got home she was sick and dehydrated and we had to take her for emergency vet care. We have taken shorter car trips with her and the same thing happens. So we don't take her on car trips.

jan said...

Coreen, The CD's sound great.

jan said...

Hi Mary, Carol told us your ID name on here. Welcome. Hope you hang around.

jan said...

Mary, It is great to have someone around here with some "sensing" abilities - I think you said you are an ISFJ. Most of us are located more in the "N" type. I think Carol said she sometimes runs into walls - that is a sign of an intuitive - not much sensing there. I too run into walls and doors if I am not careful - have had some bruises to show for it.

jan said...

Carol, they are so lucky to have you there. I hope those men all do well and don't develop complications or secondary infections.

Carol said...

Thanks Jan. I suited up and made a house call to my isolated guys to work then up. Two aren't too sick but too had very high fever. None are whiny guys.

I think I'm going to try to get to the hospital this week to get that flu shot.

Carol said...

Ivy, I haven't heard anyone complaining about Saban in a very long time. I think everyone is over it. I was just picking. It might add a little to the rivalry though.

Carol said...

Coreen, are your Yanks ready for tonight?

Coreen said...

Just a quick check, please Carol, do get that
flu shot, you are certainly at risk in your
work environment.

I really like the Christmas season, & have lots of Christmas music, but believe it or
not NY radio will very shortly start playing
Christmas music 24/7, so somtimes by Christmas,
its overload. Not sure if that happens everywhere.

I do like Mannheim Steamroller, but I prefer
music with words (lyrics).

Coreen said...

Carol, I sure hope they are. The wild card
is Andy on 3 days rest... I will try to stay
calm.

Ivy Green said...

I located the book with the reference to people who are "I's in E Clothing." It's titled, "ADD in the Workplace" by Kathleen G. Nadeau, Ph.D. There is a chapter devoted to personality types : "ADD and Personality Type at Work." Nadeau asserts there is a strong cultural bias toward extroversion in the U.S. Introverts are out-numbered 3 to 1 in the general population. Introverts are misperceived as withdrawn or backwards. Many introverts spend their lives trying to behave as if they are extroverts, and try to suppress their introverted tendencies. They become "I in E clothing" because they confuse extroversion with social skills. Nadeau suggests introverts understand and celebrate their "I" traits. "I's who try to force themselves into the shoes of an E won't enjoy walking and will probably get blisters!"

Ivy Green said...

I think Dr. Nadeau has part of the story about some I's trying to emulate E's by becoming I's in E-clothing. As one myself, I truly enjoy social interaction and can often be "the life of the party" with no effort at all. I can be temporarily energized by other people as well as any natural extrovert. But at the end of the party, I'm like Jan with her classroom full of kids. "Calgon, take me away!"

Carol said...

Coreen, I have a bunch of karaoke Christmas Carols. It comes in really handy for my annual work Christmas party. It's a big hit.

I need to start working up my menu. I do like catering a party even though it is a lot of work. I start ahead of time.

Ivy Green said...

Two other very detailed "lay people" books (i.e., easy-to-read) about personality types are "Type Talk" and "Type Talk at Work", both by Otto Kroeger and Janet M. Thuesen.

Ivy Green said...

We are getting ready to eat our Philly cheese steaks in case this is the last night. lol

Coreen said...

I love it, Carol. Do you sing along?

Carol said...

Ivy, I think people who don't know me might think I'm an E. I did enjoy speaking to a group even though I did already take meds to keep my heart rate down. I also enjoy entertaining people, just not often.

On our local news, they just said that there was nowhere for anyone but health care workers to get the H1N1 vaccine in town except that they are giving it to the University faculty, students and staff. I wonder how they got it? They said it should be available next week for other high risk groups.

Coreen said...

And if anyone wants to sample Andrea Bocelli's
Christmas cd, just some snippets of the songs.

There is going to be a PBS special I think
end of November, repeated in December of his
cd. Pretty sure there are some youtube full
versions of each song as well.

Andrea Bocelli My Christmas

Carol said...

I don't have a good voice Coreen but I do sing. I love to sing Christmas Carols.

What is your favorite religious Carol? Mine is O Holy Night. Gives me a lump in my throat.

Coreen said...

Before I shut down for awhile, O Holy Night is
beautiful, & it does give you a chill when
they hit the hi note 'something I can not do'
I do not sing well at all.

Andrea Bocelli singing the Our Father really gave me a chill,magnificent & I am not really
into opera type singing.

Catch up later or tomorrow.

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
I loved how you took the "aide-de-camp" to the next logical progression...those aides-des-campeaux are whooped, they never get a break. lol

Solar said...

Ivy,

"I finally understood why I had always felt one step behind in conversations and in classroom lectures. The "E'S" are speeding ahead while my slow-poke aide-de-camp is still carrying messages."

I still feel this way, unless its something that really interest me. This is the reason that I like reading, more than hearing things..even if they are taped. Only one draw back tho: Most of the things that I like reading; I have to read them more than once, or even twice..HA!

Carol,

Take go and get that shot, and don't take any chances.

Ivy Green said...

Solar,
Glad that helped. That guy was my favorite professor. Took three courses with him and would have taken more if I could've. He was a former Catholic priest who left and married. His wife called him, "Freud." lol

Carol said...

I'm sitting here watching that big old Beaver moon staring in at me. It sure is beautiful. Another great reason to be here at the camp.

Beaver moon is the Native American name for the November full moon. No wonder I saw a couple of beavs swimming around out there in the moonlight the other night.

Solar said...

Chloe,

I haven't been at Face Book for months now..but wanted to go there to see something there now. I had to open a new acct. I erased my personal information on it now..I did not realized that it was included.

Ivy,

Yes Those are very interesting subjects. I have been (in the past) talking to Chloe a little bit about it. The difference it that I called him the cappy, or Captain. The way that I put is-is that they are the voices that we hear, and talk to us..but the right way is to describe them in the order of command...I did play around with it..by saying that the capt. is t he voice that I listen to, and he has a voice that he listens to, ad-infinitum.

With close freinds, I was both at the same time, most of the times...life of the party, and for long periods of times..an observer. When we used to play poker, this came in handy...I knew some of them very, very well.

jan said...

Ivy, I too have "Type Talk"

Thanks for the info on "I's in E clothing. As a member of organizations I never volunteer to be the secretary. I don't know if its my introvert function or if I am ADD because I cannot seem to keep up with keeping notes. The few times I have served as a sec'y I have taped discussions for later writing the minutes.

jan said...

Carol, the moon is amazing right now.
I hope you get the H1N1 shot - you really need it. I told you about the teacher who wound up in intensive care. She must have caught it from a kid in her elementary schools. We just had a 4 year old die here in Alb. It is truly an epidemic here.

jan said...

Well, a short night for me here - I must grade some papers tonight. I may check in again before bed time.

jan said...

Coreen, thanks for the link to Andrea Bocelli. I listened and I still have goose bumps. What a voice.

Carol said...

Jan, don't miss Modern Family. That is such a cute show.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
How did your captive audience react to the news there's "flying pigs" amongst them?

Carol said...

Ivy, my "aide-de-camp" is having some trouble explaining that one to me. What are you talking about?

Solar said...

Ivy,

That Prof. Nadeau sounded very interesting, so I went and Googled her..she looks a lot like Patsi.!

Carol said...

Are you talking about the swine flu?

Carol said...

When I told them I was pretty sure it was the swine flu they did look a little nervous. I explained to them not to worry since they were healthy young guys but told them to let me know if they felt like they were having any serious trouble or if their roomy looked like he was having trouble.

I ordered them Benadryl to konk them out some and Motrin for the aches. I'll make another house call tomorrow to make sure they are doing OK.

Carol said...

Ivy, did you enjoy your Philly cheese steak tonight? I think it might be a while before you'll get another one. Course, it ain't over til it's over.

jan said...

Carol, I just watched Modern Family. This was my favorite episode. Still LOL. enough fun - back to papers.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
My Philly cheese steak is sitting at the bottom of my belly like a lead balloon. Hubs bought triple-extra/super-large/totally-gigunda sized cheese steaks from Jersey Mike's. They are authentic, even way down here in the 'ham. I was way past full but kept eating just because it tasted so good.

Yes, I was referring to the piggies-that-flew. I know we shouldn't make jokes about a pandemic, but without gallows humor, we'd all be hanging ourselves for real. better say lol

Ivy Green said...

I'm glad you reassured your guys that they will be okay (at least as far as the flu is concerned). The least educated are often the most susceptible to fear spread by wild rumors and exaggerated stories, as the media is so wont to promote. I am nervous about it myself, and I am "informed" (I think, but I could be wrong.)

thornwil said...

Coreen, Thanks for the Andrea Bocelli music. I couldn't stop listening. I just saw the CD today and wanted to buy it, but I've been on a "no buying spree" for awhile. I'm the poor one in the family.

Carol said...

I felt sorry for those guys. I really try to give some special attention to those who aren't the frequent fliers in medical. They don't complain.

I see the same old whiners over and over again and forget there are many in there who never complain. They just tough out anything that's wrong with them.

Ivy, when I worked ICU/CCU, we used to tell some pretty morbid jokes when we were stressed. Wouldn't want families to ever hear us. It was the only way we could handle that kind of stress. I was also a very young nurse then and was terribly uncomfortable with death. I've grown alot since then.

Carol said...

I think that flu is pretty widespread everywhere. I don't call in my flu cases nor do most practitioners so I don't know how they figure out how many actually have had it, what the most common age is, etc. Only thing they may have that is fairly accurate is death statistics.

I'm keeping a little record of age, sex, race and pre-existing conditions just in case someone is interested. I'm interested.

I heard of more out of jail than in jail who have had it. It may be that humidity thing. Someone on TM linked that article about how flu doesn't spread as well in humid environments and our jail, without AC and with windows open, is pretty humid.

Carol said...

Dang that 10 o'clock has slipped up on me again. Nite folkes.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Incredible there's no A/C. I hear my Louisiana-native friends complaining about humidity all the time...apparently we have no humidity in AL comparatively speaking. If they took out large billboards advertising there's no A/C at the jail, would it have a deterrent effect on crime??

Ivy Green said...

Congratulations, Coreen. The best team won!

Coreen said...

Thanks Ivy...

I am so very proud of those guys.

Just to say it again.....
New York Yankees, 2009 World Champions, No. 27!!!

And it had to be completed in the New Yankee
Stadium. I could not be happier.

Ivy Green said...

For Matsui and the Japanese people alone, I am happy for the win. We were honored to host Japanese guests just last week, and we know how much they love baseball and Matsui.

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,

Hubs' brother lives not far from the new stadium. I'm sure he's as happy as you tonight.

Coreen said...

Yes,it is wonderful that Hideki is the MVP.

Am going to watch the YES Network for post game in the clubhouse, so good night.

p.s. are you a nightowl Ivy, normally, I would
be just about asleep by now, but not tonite.

Carol said...

For some darn reason, my coffee didn't want me this morning. Don't you just hate it when you don't have everything with your coffee pot set up just perfect and you go into the kitchen to find a coffee ground soup all over the counter? I don't recommend it for waking up but it works.

Congrats Coreen and sorry Ivy. Now I'm kinda of feeling bad about having to cheer against you again Saturday Ivy. I'll get over it.

Carol said...

You do go to sleep late Coreen. Either you don't have to get up early or you don't need much sleep. I don't get much sleep either but they do say we need it. Also, aren't introverts suppose to sleep longer or need more sleep? Didn't I read that somewhere? I also read that women, after a certain age, don't sleep well anymore and I haven't since the big M.

When I'm happy, I don't care if I get any sleep.

Carol said...

And Ivy, that lack of AC at our joint doesn't seem to deter any crime around here. People who commit crimes just don't think, let me see what's going to happen to me if I do something wrong. They just don't think ahead. Do you think that criminals have a certain personality type in common? I'm always thinking of research I'd like to see done on the crims, that's short for criminals.

Carol said...

And what's strange is I really don't hear that much complaining about the heat. A little, but not as much as I would have thought. Actually, after they have been in a while, they complain when they come down to our medical dept and it's cold. They are in a hurry to get back to their heat. Humans are pretty adaptable.

Carol said...

Where were you Chloe? Had something more interesting to do than talk to us last night? I guess that could happen.

I'm curious about what Hubs does for a living Ivy. You don't have to say but I'm curious.

Coreen said...

Morning, Carol & thanks.

I'm awake & still very happy!!!

Always get up about this time.
May not really wake up for about an hour, but
its the best time to gather your thoughts &
get ready for each day.

Carol said...

Morning Coreen. Happy that you're happy.

Did ya'll see Solar's new avatar? It's funny. Check it out.

Coreen said...

Carol, if you are here I would like to change
the post, if thats ok

Where's solar's avatar, he emailed something
about facebook, but I don't want to register
to see anything there.

Carol said...

This is your blog too Coreen, do whatever you want. We will be running out of room if it isn't changed soon.

Just click on the square next to Solar's post and you will see his avatar.

Hi ho, hi ho, it's off the work I go.....