Friday, March 5, 2010

Nothing is happening except to the extent that we give it meaning (Carol's quote)


This is not about ESP, but it is about using our intuition. And the only mind control involved is controlling our own mind - Ha! ... for a change! Up until now, everyone else has been trying to control it for us. Time to get into the drivers seat, and make some changes.

"Almost all of our suffering comes from defending our story, which we mistake for our selves."

... so says Russell Targ. He also says: "... 99 percent of the value of psychic abilities resides in the opportunity they offer for self-inquiry and self-realization". Keeping that in mind, in order to benefit from his suggestions, we must stop the outgoing chatter that's constantly going through our minds - it's limiting our awareness and ability to tune in to the important things that we need to be able to tune into (according to Mr. Targ).

Here's what I found describing mental chatter on line: "We human beings are the only species on earth that are capable of thinking ([sic]...huh?) . But when thinking is coupled with past memories and emotional attachments it becomes what is known as mental chatter or mind chatter. This is not healthy for our mind and body. Thinking is useful and creative when used in the present moment to handle a situation or problem at hand. But it is harmful when used to think about past memories and re enact the negative emotions of the past.

Mental Chatter is mostly about the past and not the present. The conscious mind fears quietness or silence and will always try to keep on chattering about the past. This mostly happens without even your awareness. When this mind chatter is stopped altogether, you are totally in the present moment and you access your intuition and inner guidance easily and effortlessly. This is the ultimate goal of anybody who wants to stop the mental chatter."

The following is a partial quote from the preface of one of Targ's books: 'Limitless Mind' (love that title).

"The teachings of expanded awareness and the the experience of spaciousness are not about self-improvement or gaining power; they are about self-realizations: discovering who we really are. Such teaching predates by more than eight centuries my own efforts in the last decade to show people how to develop their psychic abilities. To my mind, the self or ego is not who we are..... we are the flow of loving awareness that is available to us whenever we are quitet and peaceful.

I believe in this plane of illusion, we give life all the meaning it has for us. We give meaning to everything we experience based on our lifelong conditioning. As iit is articulated in 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead': As a thing is viewed, so it appears.' In a meditative state of mind, we can become aware that we are not a body, but rather a 'limitless, nonlocal awareness' animating or residing as a body. Resting in the spacious flow of of loving awareness -- we discover that we already have, right now within us, everything we could possibly look for. This is what the Hindus call 'ananda'. Our needs and wants are the illusions.

.... our mind is limitless and our awareness both fills and transcends our ordinary understanding of space and time. Psychic abilities point to the possibility of four residing in -- and as -- this state of expanded, timeless, fearless, spacious awareness. Psychic abilities are neither sacred nor secular; they are just natural human abilities. We can use them to find lost car keys or elusive parking spaces, to forecast changes in the stock market, or to discover who we really are. I believe that 99 percent of the value of psychic abilities resides in the opportunity they offer for self-inquiry and self-realization.

Let's see if we can accomplish this together
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187 comments:

Chloe said...

Carol and Jan, You have both inspired me so much. First you Carol, by introducing us all to Russell Targ and his philosophy. And you Jan by becoming so motivated by the videos and information that Carol introduced us to.

Moving forward!

Chloe said...

The most important work I accomplished today (besides my time with Emma) was to make a great big pot of spaghetti sauce, to serve with either spaghetti or rigatoni (rigatoni is my favorite, therefore my choice) and a loaf of garlic french bread. I was in heaven sitting here eating it along with a can of my favorite Barq's root beer. I was feeling like I'd found the true recipe for the secret to happiness. The only problem I had was trying to stop eating. I just told myself (finally) that tomorrow's another day. (You guys may think Scarlett was a spoiled brat, but I thought she was just someone who wouldn't take no for an answer.)

Chloe said...

Well, now I get to clean up the mess, and get on with my evening chores. Unfortunately, ESP won't get these things done for me. If y'all figure out a way to use it to get dishes and housework done, be sure to share it with me. Sounds like a worthy goal to work on.

Carol said...

Well, I was over at the last post thinking I was spilling my guts and I was just snipe hunting. Here's what I wrote.

Coreen, see what you get when you run off instead of sticking around to keep us in the here and now. We take off into the wild blue yonder...

Yes, I need to replace some of my retirement funds and I'm willing to do anything legal but not too risky either. I'm not a big risk taker. Been there, done that, once and that was enough.

How do you know about that ESP trainer and that blue is involved??? Have one? Did you hear him on Coast2Coast and if you did I need more info in how he used his abilities with gambling? I, unfortunately fell asleep listening to the program. I had my earphones on so my subconscious heard it but won't give up what it knows.

Chloe, here is my lazy link to Targ's video. Don't make me work too hard, it was a long week.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rtarg.htm

There's a lot of meat to chew on in that 30+ minute interview, or seafood, if we consider Coreen's preferences. She may or may not want to float up into the wild blue with us. She did say that she liked Coast2Coast so that's a hint that she might not be as firmly planted in the ground as she may want us to believe.

Carol said...

Yes Jan, not just with men but there are women whose identities are totally based on what they do in their careers.

When I was going thru the worst crisis in my life, that identity thing was really driven home to me. I was watching mom die and at the same time I had the State Board on my ass just because I worked for that old codger Doc who let his office manager/hussy alter his better judgement.

I knew mom was on her way out and there was nothing I could do to stop it. I wasn't sure how the State Board thing was going to turn out even though I couldn't see how it could take me down. I wasn't totally sure though because it was such a crazy time and I wasn't thinking that rationally. It was already crazy that something they thought my boss did was causing me so much grief. They don't give you any hints on what they think you might have done and I wasn't sure what Doc's OM may have done to involve me in something. She was pure evil. I even warned him of that.

My role as daughter and nurse WERE the only identities I had. My life was totally dedicated to taking care of my mom, she saw to that, and my career. Both were being threatened at the same time. I was going to lose the daughter identity but if I would have lost the nurse identity, I wouldn't have had any identity left.

My older sister, trying to comfort me at that time said, "Carol, you're more than your career". I said no I'm not. I'm not a wife or a mother or a grandmother. All I am is a "nurse" and the different roles it provides for me.

Carol said...

And because I didn't have any of those other identities I felt like I had to work a little harder, do a little better with the one identity that I did have.

Carol said...

Thanks for putting up this post Chloe. Did you get your book for your Kindle yet?

Carol said...

I wanted to bring over Coreens comments from today. They belong over here.

Coreen said...

Nice, leave you alone for awhile & what happens....remote viewing, esp, uri geller...

About that esp trainer....always go with the
color blue...

And when you master the esp thing Carol, we are all off to Vegas to secure our retirements....

I really do like Coast2Coast....and Targ is
most believable in presenting his case for these psychic abilities, but....

March 5, 2010 12:39:00 PM PST

Carol said...

Oh, but I am becoming more comfortable with the identities of bird watcher, Maggie's mother, hummingbird feeder, fisherwoman, better get some more practice, gardener, and couch potato, love me some taters....

Coreen said...

Carol,

I have heard Targ on c2c in the past, he was
the one who played up uri geller (the guy who
bent spoons with his mind) years ago...most interesting concepts...remote viewing...but not sure if it is real....

No surprise, targ talks about seeing colors when you clear your mind....& naturally for me....that would be blue....always blue....

Coreen said...

Here's a group of videos of Targ, including I think the c2c from the other night, but will have to get my netbook to hear them, since this
computer still has no sound!

Russell Targ youtube talks

Carol said...

Well Coreen, you may have something we can use. When I picked blue every time on my ESP trainer, it said I had ESP ability. Practice a little more and when you're ready, we'll get our tickets for Vegas.

Coreen said...

Carol,

Trust me, if I thought I had any psychic skills, I'd be the first to try my hand at
picking some winners...

jan said...

Carol, there are at least a couple of identities you are forgetting - beloved sister and dear friend (to those of us here) and I am sure many others.

jan said...

What is coast to coast?

Coreen said...

But the entire psychic thing is fascinating...
just have never been shown proof it works....

I even am intrigued by John Edward, the guy
who has shows about talking to the dead....he
comes to CT on his tour & I always want to go
just to see what the deal really is, but the
shows are always sold out....

I guess it is simply belief...you either believe it or you don't....me, I'm not convinced either way...but am open to the possibility....

And this identity thing...it is obvious to me that you are a unique multi-faceted individual...who possesses many attributes that
escape most their entire life....what you have
chosen to share here only reinforces my opinion of you....

Again, for me,it is what you see is what you get or in this case what we read....

Solar said...

Chloe, I really like this post; and I agree with most of what it say's...I don't very much about Physics, or ghosts, or witchcraft (cept here on the swamp) or any of what can be explained by modern science.!! I do agree with the premise of what he say's ..want to start with what Carol said...if we can apply this thought to everything, that exist we can separate the real from the unreal..lets say money...if you were to ask.....almost all of us would say that it is real.! So I think that U picked the perfect example by starting off with Carol's:

"Nothing is happening except to the extent that we give it meaning (Carol's quote)"

"Almost all of our suffering comes from defending our story, which we mistake for our selves."

This guy Targ comes awful close to the Vedanta philosophy of Hinduism.!

In his quote above it can be taken two way's...one he is right, and the other way he is wrong.!

Coreen said...

Jan,

Coast to coast is a late night radio talk show
hosted by George Noory....let's see, he has
lots of guests that believe in well, ufo's,
paranormal activities, psychic things, like
targ, creatures...like the famous chupacabra...

Carol & I listen to it, though he is no longer
easily available in my area....before Noory it
was Art Bell...who was the master at the strange manifestations in the night radio stuff....great listening when you are trying to
fall asleep...but probably not for the non-believers....

Coreen said...

Remember the X-files (TV show)....the truth is out there...you just have to want to believe....

Carol said...

Guys, that is a quote from something Mr. Targ said. Don't want anyone to think I came up with it. I think he is quoting someone who is/was spiritually enlightened. He gets his stuff from the Easter philosophies.

Carol said...

That was suppose to be Eastern philosophies. Great speller is also not included in my identity.

Solar said...

Carol,

I can see that he gets his basic thought from the eastern philosophy, but he doesn't practice them...if he did , he wouldn't even talk about it....just talking about it...is bragging...and there for not in real practice...he is aware of what he wants to use, as a tool....just saying...

Im going agree with Coreen. You have many, many talents. U might not have been a good Mother, or a good wife, or any of the other things that U might sometimes think that U missed out on....have news for u..we all go thru that...one of the selfish things that we can do for ourselves, that will make others that love us happy, is to choose to work, do something that makes us happy....you've done that...the rest is just ....what if's but you made most of your choices based on your lifes experiences..with dealing with family.....

I did the same.....and when I mentioned that the mirror is the secrete to all that we want...it is the mirror into ourselves...if we really know ourselves, not just what we think we are emotionally but the way that we operate (I do to some extent) mentally and biologically....when we put all of the sciences together to understand the questions the we have been asking since we became conscious of our selves...we should be able to put a picture of what we truly are...just another animal with a brain that is bigger, that has been mapping itself since we can't remember....it is all within two things...as I keep saying...it is all within the range of sorrow, and joy....

Carol said...

Ivy, how is kid kollege doing today? How long before Spring break? I think she gonna need one real soon.

Carol said...

Solar, so much of what that guy writes reminds me of stuff you have said before. I bet you would enjoy some of his books. BTW, did you ever work for the CIA?

Solar said...

I meant to say...that all we expeirence in life, is within; Joy.............and..........Sorrow. All things are some degree of either one...or both.!!

Solar said...

Carol,

I do like what he writes..but I think that he is confusing himself with too much commercialism.....just think about it...if i could be just one of the very few that really feel as one with the rest of the world..the whole world, not just the people the we see...I was at a point one time when I could almost feel some one else....someone from another part of the world....how...by knowing, and truly feeling the world....nature is in all of us....

that is why U recognized this guy in what I have been saying....he had read the same things that I have...or the other way around...but he makes a living interpreting....what he has learned....he has had to have skewed some of the teachings..

Our tacit conspiracy to ignore who, or what we really are.......We have the feeling that we are a separate ego....enclosed in a bag of skin....this is just a hallucination...we are all part of all, all are part of us...

We can connect with the person from another country by. knowing that there is a body...space....body ...that we all breath the same air...and that we all connect....if there were ...then it would be all empty space...we need that other form.....to connect...

When Coreen say's that she takes care of her own space ...she try's to care for the things, that she is immediately surrounded by...she is right....if we all did just that...if we practiced to take care of our own little space, and the people....things that are within our reach....we would be taking care of the world.....space by space.....sorry if this is all mish-mash..but this thing about synergy it what we have missing....we think that we are all independent form each other..we are separate, from the rest of the world...take a look at what that shit Jax writes about......I have mine, and the hell with U...don't get me wrong...I don't like the users, the lazy shits that take advantage of the hard working ones......

Carol said...

I have had many episodes of ESP or intuition in my work with patients. Probably helps to have many years of experience but sometimes I think God taps me on my shoulder and gives me insight. I always thank Him afterwards.

One time I had this young, healthy guy come in and report that he had an episode of sharp chest pain followed by some shortness of breath. It woke him up from a sound sleep. It was something that he had experienced several days before I saw him and he said he was feeling just fine by the time I saw him. Under those circumstances, I didn't really need to do anything further. He looked just fine and wasn't in any distress.

Just before I let him go, a little voice said "listen to his chest". I did and there were no breath sounds on one side of his chest. I checked his oxygen saturation and it was very low. I got a chest xray and he had a spontaneous pneumothorax, one lung collapsed. I don't know how he could have been feeling just fine. I sent him out to the hospital for a chest tube.

I have learned to always trust my intuition and those little voices, at least when working with my patients.

Solar said...

What did I do ...run u all off again?

Chloe said...

"In his quote above it can be taken two way's"

Yes Solar, those are my favorite kinds of statements. The ones that can be taken two ways (or even more!). Targ ideas are very close to what I do understand about the eastern philosophies, although you know more about Vedanta than I do (actually I know nothing about it. :)

I'm sure there's something meaningful, in a different way for each of us, in these ideas, and that we'll all take away something quite different from each other as we learn more.

Chloe said...

".... he wouldn't even talk about it....just talking about it...is bragging."

Solar, He wants to help people and spread the word, very much in the same way that you want to see people enlightened and made aware of the reality of how things really are. True, he obviously has learned from the eastern philosophies, and probably built on them, but I don't think he could talk about the things he talks about, without giving credit to those thoughts of others. That's not bragging, imo. Targ 'believes' these things - he's not trying to sell us something. He's also a scientist.

Carol said...

Solar, I'm glad that this guy is sharing what he has learned. He makes some of that stuff more understandable to me. His books aren't expensive. His little ESP app is free. There is nothing wrong with making money sharing what you have learned or what you are good at with other. Money is good! We all like it, don't we?

Solar said...

"I have learned to always trust my intuition and those little voices, at least when working with my patients."

Thats the part of what Targ said that I don't agree with at all...the past memories are what is talking to you.....those little voices are your past experiences giving you the little bit of intuition that you need.....not some Cosmic God that just punished the person that U are trying to save.....so he has to have been pissed at the sick person...enough to almost kill him...and then changes his mind....by inspiring U???....

Chloe said...

"...it is obvious to me that you are a unique multi-faceted individual...who possesses many attributes that
escape most their entire life...."

Carol, Yes, Coreen said it so well, and she's right. You're all those things and more.

Chloe said...

"Money is good! We all like it, don't we?"

Hell yeah!!!

Carol said...

Seems we were thinking the same thing Chloe even though you did a better job expressing it.

Solar said...

Hi,

chloe,

I did not mean that he is bragging about his knowledge and that he is not trying to help...the Teaching of what he is trying to say.....tells him, that by doing so...he is breaking away from the teachings of humility...that is the braggng that is not in the spirit of what he has learned.....when U feel something that (it it said) is true, and is felt...mentioning that U are chosen one and the the others are not...it is bragging...If if were truly to feel it.....i would go off into my mountains...and remain part of the whole.....our friend that left us....did a little of this...Don 1 knew somethings...but did not feel them......

Carol said...

Solar, I think what you said is pretty much what he has said. I think you think more alike than different. He says much of what you have said. You just don't have your book out yet. Git er done boy.

Carol said...

Thanks guy for all the warm fuzzies. I wasn't really trying to put myself down, just expressing my feelings. The things Targ said about identity that Jan picked up and talked about this morning brought up some memories. Some memories from a very horrible time for me. It was from one of those really hard graduate school classes of life. I'm surprised I made it though that class.

Solar said...

Chloe;

"He wants to help people and spread the word, very much in the same way that you want to see people enlightened and made aware of the reality of how things really are. True, he obviously has learned from the eastern philosophies, and probably built on them, but I don't think he could talk about the things he talks about, without giving credit to those thoughts of others. That's not bragging, imo. Targ 'believes' these things - he's not trying to sell us something. He's also a scientist.:

I don't have an opinion about this...other that to say...that I would have to read, study him....compare ....and see consistency in order to know him, and agree ....does not mean that I do, or don't ....I would also like to see what he has offered to the science community, and what they have to say about him....he was presented as a personality.! As a scientist....will try to see what he has contributed.....

Solar said...

Carol,

The way that I write....it would be a best seller for those that speak only Spanglish......I think that Jan would be able to understand it tho...she sound half spanglish to me sometimes...thanks..

Solar said...

Coreen

Hang in there honey...the snow is melting away here....I can see my grass...maybe I will cut the lawn Sunday....that should blow all of the neighbors minds......HA.!!

Music that alway makes me happy....anything by the JOiner sistas.....ready....lets JUMP.!

Solar said...

Pointer...

Carol said...

The Swamp is just another one of life's classes. We have lots of teachers here. We take turns being the student and the teacher. I really haven't found anyone who can't teach me something. My inmates/patients are also my teachers. I learn something from everyone of them.

Chloe said...

I know what you mean Solar. I didn't do that good of a job presenting him, because I haven't learned enough about him yet. What I did quote was the preface of his book, so of course it may sound somewhat commercialized.

I'm sure there are other people that could introduce the same ideas to us, but he seems to do such a good job of explaining, and has been around long enough to write a 'lot' of books.

Normally, I only read and understand what I'm ready to understand (yeah, that cliche is right on) and the reason I like his ideas is because I agree with so many of them already. The things he's saying aren't all that new to me, but it sure is nice to have some of these beliefs validated and reinforced from time to time.

You know how much I believe in the power of our thoughts, and Solar, Targ does validate a lot of things that you believe in too. One of them is that he see's us as part of the bigger picture, and that we are everything withing our self, but that we need to let go of our ego. This stuff isn't new, but it sure is good to hear it in a way that is simple and easy to understand. It's helpful to fill in the gaps and to consolidate our belief's every so often.

Carol said...

And we are all learning Spanglish here. Learning a new language helps to grow new brain cells. Thanks Solar for my new brain cells.

Solar said...

Carol, I have started two books...one when my God-daughter was about 6-7 we started one..called...Bi-anardo JiaComi...he protected the children while they slept....had all kinds of adventures with the inner spirit of the sleeping kids....we would never tell anyone what we laughed about...it was our secret...she is married with a kid now..and she still has dreams about it....

The other is all junk notes about my family...now that I know some truths....how we came here from Mexico...and why...it could fill a book...haha...lot of the right mixture...blood, sex, gold...riches...we were..( my great grand parents) super rich...found out that if you rode in a car for 30 minuets...that was their property...they were royalty...and there were strong women in it also...had one cousin...that she shot men if they fkd with her...later.

Carol said...

And Solar, I hear you from the words you write and the thought waves you send my way. That's a little of that remote viewing.

Have you guys ever had the experience of trying to teach or explain something that you really didn't quite understand yourself but as you try to teach or explain it, all of a sudden you come to a better understanding of it yourself? It's one of those ah ha moments. I had them several times when teaching. It was such a profound experience that I would have to pause for a moment to appreciate it.

Solar said...

Chloe,

I do like what he say's and do agree....Im pickeled tink that U like things like this....just talking about the teachings of that philosophy.....i do like what u told me about him so far....

Chloe said...

"Have you guys ever had the experience of trying to teach or explain something that you really didn't quite understand yourself but as you try to teach or explain it, all of a sudden you come to a better understanding of it yourself?"

All the time Carol.

Chloe said...

Ivy, I'm going to post a story you shared with us not too long ago about the 'Wow!' moments we all sometimes experience. I liked it so much, that I saved it in a folder on my desktop, so I'd run across it and re-read it every so often. That just happened right now, and made me realize how much I miss you when you're not around for a while.

"" 'Wow!' That word expresses such wonder, excitement, surprise, and humility. It's a word I use often, yet I pay little attention to its meaning or power. For example, this morning when I awoke, the sun was shining brightly, the sky was a deep and cloudless blue, and the [winter] trees radiated gold [and silver]...Without thinking about it, my first reaction was 'Wow!'

I was struck by the fact I had noting to do with creating such a beautiful morning. That meant I probably had no effect on the rainy or snowy mornings either. In fact, weather was one of the many things completely out of my control...My job was simply to enjoy the morning and be grateful for the experience of beauty. The day was off to a great start.

Now I Take more notice of the 'wow' moments in my life. I acknowledge my feelings, such as the gratitude, joy, and humility, that come with appreciating something I didn't affect or create...I don't have to work hard for this day's delights because they are a gift from my Higher Power. All I need to do is pay attention and enjoy my honest emotions as the day progresses."

Carol said...

I think Chloe, that that is learning to tune into that universal consciousness. It's all out there we just have to zero in on it.

Chloe said...

Carol, My hummer feed has a leak. I'm going to get a new one tomorrow, or put up that decorative one in it's place that I got last year, when Ivy put up a picture of the one she got from Lowes. I'm worried though that if I have a completely different style like that, that they may not recognize it from last fall. So I'm thinking I need to get the same style again.

Carol said...

Don't think you need to do that Chloe. Those little bugger are smart. They can even tell how concentrated your sugar water is by looking at it.

Chloe said...

"... that that is learning to tune into that universal consciousness"

I think you're onto something there. I used to really believe in that, and called it universal consciousness or universal intelligence. We can tap into it anytime we want, and often do, I'm sure. It's probably good to be aware of these things all the time, in order to get the most out of them.

Coreen said...

A quick summary of Russell Targ's background...

He was one of the researchers for the CIA to
see if the use of esp/psychic abilities could
see into the future...think that george clooney
movie 'men staring at goats?' He trained several men to do 'remote viewing' however, whether it really works remains well, a mystery....

"At the Stanford Research Institute in the 1970s and 1980s, Targ and his colleague Harold E. Puthoff co-founded a 23-year, $25-million program of research into psychic abilities and their operational use for the U.S. intelligence community, including the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency and Army Intelligence. These abilities are referred to collectively as "remote viewing." Targ and Puthoff both believe that Uri Geller, retired police commissioner Pat Price, and artist Ingo Swann all had genuine psychic abilities.

From 1972 to 1995 the program was classified SECRET and compartmentalized with Limited Access. That is to say, the program was not only classified, but every single person who was informed about the program had to personally sign a so-called bigot list, to acknowledge that they had been exposed to the program data. However, their work met criticism from some, including psychologists David Marks and Richard Kammann in their 1980 book, The Psychology of the Psychic.[4]

Targ's autobiography, Do You See What I See: Memoirs of a Blind Biker, was published in 2008, and describes his life as a scientist and legally-blind motorcyclist.

Targ lectures worldwide on remote viewing."

Carol said...

Just got all my feeders washed up and ready this afternoon. Will put one out tomorrow. The cooler than usual temps may make them a little later this year.

Solar said...

Coreen, Thanks...think that I will take a pass about him.....

Carol said...

He recently lost his beloved daughter from cancer. Some of his books are probably part of his grief work. Maybe that book, The End of Suffering? Grief can be a powerful motivator for creativity... or self destruction.

Solar said...

Oops, reason..I didn't think that he practice what he preached before...

Chloe said...

Oh, When I said he was a scientist, I was just trying to point out that he has had a 'regular' job too, and that he is not 'just' into psyche stuff.

This is what I was recalling, when I looked on Wiki earlier today (trying to find out a little about him): "Russell Targ (born April 11, 1934) is an American physicist
Targ received a Bachelor of Science in physics from Queens College in 1954, and did graduate work in physics at Columbia University. He received two National Aeronautics and Space Administration awards for inventions and contributions in lasers and laser communications.

Targ is also an editor, publisher, songwriter, producer, and teacher. In 1997 he retired from Lockheed Martin as a project manager and senior staff scientist, where he developed laser technology for airborne detection of wind shear and air turbulence. He has published more than a hundred papers on lasers, plasma physics, laser applications and electro-optics."

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
No word from Miss College today. I take no news as good news. She will drop by tomorrow, she said.

Carol said...

A little birdie directed me to this guy and his stuff and, I'm going to trust that little birdie and see what he has to teach me.

Coreen said...

Solar, You may actually like his way of thinking...here is the preface he wrote to his book 'the end of suffering' but his theory/ideas revolve around esp/psychics as manifested in the ability to do remote viewing...

The end of suffering

Carol said...

When's Spring break Ivy? Is she planning a trip?

Chloe said...

Carol, I saw something about him losing his daughter in a preface in that book I'm going to download (at least I think it was in that one, but I did check out other books too).

If I like someones ideas, then I like their ideas. Doesn't matter who they are, because I look at things one at a time. I might believe with some things a person says, but not others. I never buy the whole package.

Part of this is letting go of 'preconceived' ideas. So when I'm looking at something new, I look with an open mind. It doesn't matter, because all I'm doing is listening and giving it the benefit of the doubt. I never, ever feel threatened or afraid of 'ideas'. I take what I want, and leave the rest. And always manage to learn something from everyone - like you Carol.

Carol said...

I'm thoroughly impressed Chloe.

Chloe said...

Hi Ivy.
See, it worked! I willed Ivy to be here, and here she is. :)

Chloe said...

Ivy, Glad to hear you'll be seeing your daughter tomorrow. Hope you let us know how she's doing (and how you're doing) once you guys get to talk about things face to face.

Solar said...

Chloe,

Since i don't know that much, if anything about him..im not going to say any more...like i said..i do think that he talks about the right things..remote viewing...we all do that..to some degree......will try to learn a little more about him later.!

Carol said...

Even Coreen is open to him Solar and she firmly planted. None of that hob globlin stuff for her. As for me, I can do hob globlin stuff.

jan said...

Thanks to all of you for the bio of Targ. He is certainly a fascinating person with an intriguing theory. In the video he mentions his "psychiatrist daughter" I wonder if she is the one who he "lost." How very sad. I sort of "fell in like" with him while watching his video. He has a most endearing manner about him and seems so very real. I wondered about his eyes. I noticed in the video that they move rapidly from side to side. Carol, I can't remember what that is called??

Carol said...

I was calling also Chloe. Her phone must have been ringing off the wall.

jan said...

I am very curious about the remote viewing theory. Now I want to see the movie "Staring at Goats."

Thanks Coreen for the info about Coast to Coast.

Coreen said...

Now just remember, if you see a giant blonde pony-tailed head with a blue ribbon hovering over your house....it's just me having perfected my 'remote viewing' ability & I'm checking in on you!...

Ivy Green said...

Chloe,
You were channelling another of my readings today. It said, "I sometimes worry I'm not doing something truly important. Caught up in day-to-day trivialities, it doesn't seem that I accomplish much. Yet I forget, that through all of my daily routine, I am working my program. Working my program is about learning how to love myself, my Higher Power, and those around me...As I grow in love, I worry less about doing something important. Instead, I stretch my abilities as far as they will take me. My action now is the spontaneous expression of a loving heart...there is nothing more important I can do with my life than become more loving and spiritual...When I start feeling unaccomplished, I will remember that loving myself is the greatest accomplishment of all."

Solar said...

I am opened to him...as far as I have read...but want to know more....is all....

Carol said...

nystagmus Jan.

jan said...

Coreen, thanks for the link to the book. John bought it today so I have to wait for it. Its ok I am struggling with another book at the moment. I did enjoy reading the description of the book.

Chloe said...

Jan, I believe he said his daughters name was Elizabeth. When I go back to Amazon tomorrow, I'll look to see if I can find the section where he talked about her (I didn't read it all). Also, want to say I just loved your posts this morning!

Carol, Ivy's ears must have really been ring, with both of us working our ESP on her. :)

Tomorrow morning, I'll be bring my Kindle downstairs with me, and downloading that book by Targ. Can hardly wait, but I'm hoping to finish the book I on now, so I was not in a hurry. But I can read them both at once (especially since the one I'm reading isn't that good). I'll just go back and forth. I'm going to take my time reading his anyway.

See you all tomorrow.

jan said...

Thank you Carol. I have been trying to remember the word since last night. Probably could have googled it.

Carol said...

Thanks for sharing that Ivy. I'll carry that thought with me this weekend, every time I start to feel quilty about getting nothing useful accomplished. It will give me peace. I need that peace.

Solar said...

If U like what Targ has said...U realy should take a read about this guy....he ran for POTUS so we could do what he preaches about.

John Hagelin
Award winning physicist and public policy expert, Dr. John Hagelin was awarded the prestigious Kilby Award in recognition of his major contributions to society through his groundbreaking scientific discoveries. He is regarded by many as one of the greatest scientists on the planet today.

It's important to recognize that our body is really the product of our thoughts. We're beginning to understand, in medical science, the degree to which the nature of thoughts and emotions actually determines the physical substance and structure and function of our bodies.



In fact literally, parts of our body are replaced every day. Other parts take a few months, other parts a couple of years. But within a few years we have a brand new physical body.

- Dr John Hagelin "The Secret"

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
I'm glad the "Wow" reading meant enough for you to save. I don't think I could get through my day without starting with at least one or two of my readers. There is always something pure and simple to savor, and they often end up being weirdly synchronistic with whatever or whomever crosses my path that day...

Carol said...

That book, End of Suffering, is one that I ordered. I think it was particularly calling my name. Part of the title is "..How to Get Out of Hell Free"

jan said...

Ivy, I love what you just wrote from your reading. I am going to print that and put it somewhere that I can see it. Many times if I go too long without doing something (I think) is productive, I feel guilty. This may be at the root of some of my issues with me.

jan said...

Chloe, you are right. In the link Coreen posted telling about his book, it mentions his daughter, Elizabeth. His book, The End of Suffering, came out of his grief work over the death of Elizabeth (if I am reading it correctly).

Carol said...

"It's important to recognize that our body is really the product of our thoughts"

Yeah Solar and I'm trying to think it thinner. I do have to avoid those mirrors that are trying to deceive me.

Ivy Green said...

Jan,
You are welcome. And I so totally ditto what Chloe wrote to you on the previous post...however it was she said it about the kind words you have for each of us, and the beauty and light you bring to this thread, it was "right on."

Coreen said...

Here's an article about Russell Targ's daughter
who died of a brain tumor...

elizabeth Targ

Ivy Green said...

I haven't looked at or read any of this stuff you guys are discussing...I hope I will get time to do so. It's going to get busy for me for the next week, and I may be scarce. Much to my regret since my goal is to be a human being, not a human doing...but "do" I must...

Ivy Green said...

Jan,
I did watch American Idol last night, and was sorry to see little Haeley from Fort Collins get the boot so soon.

Solar said...

Might not be enough on that..they left out a cpl of things...should be:

Beyond the Secret: The Definitive Unauthorized Guide to The Secret‎ - Page 97
Alexandra Bruce - Self-Help - 2007 - 304 pages
... which suggests that it is a spiritual essence or being residing outside of
spacetime.5 John Hagelin: President of the United States Peace Government ...

Carol said...

Jan, today one of the chaplains brought in a Our Daily Bread. It reminded me of a little book mom used to have around her house, Daily Word. She gave me a subscription to it. Each day there was a inspirational message. I haven't checked into the one that the Chaplain brought me yet but I just looked up the name of the one mom had around. Todays message was particularly interesting.

"I am blessed by the people in my life.
Each piece of a quilt has its own color, pattern, texture and design with unique beauty and charm. But when the individual pieces of a quilt are sewn together, they become one magnificent work of art.

Just as the pieces of a quilt have unique beauty, the people in my life have unique personalities, talents and skills. Their presence blesses me in countless ways.

Who are the people in the patchwork of my life? They are those I am close to as well as those I meet in passing. I give thanks for all of the people who touch my life in some way. I enfold them in prayer and hold them in a special place in my heart. They are an important part of the fabric of my life--a tapestry of love."

All who believed were together and had all things in common.--Acts 2:44

Kind of cool, huh?

Carol said...

Kind of sounds like what you wrote Ivy.

jan said...

Carol,
"I give thanks for all of the people who touch my life in some way. I enfold them in prayer and hold them in a special place in my heart. They are an important part of the fabric of my life--a tapestry of love."

A beautiful message to sleep on. Thanks Carol.

Carol said...

"Now just remember, if you see a giant blonde pony-tailed head with a blue ribbon hovering over your house....it's just me having perfected my 'remote viewing' ability & I'm checking in on you!"

Coreen, watch out for those owls. They can get vicious if they think you're going to mess with their nest. Just stay clear of that huge Cypress tree.

Carol said...

Thought you might like that quilt analogy Jan. Kind of works for us. We're a cozy little quilt.

Ivy Green said...

The quilt message is perfect. Jan helps us all feel warm and safe, no matter what the weather.

Carol said...

Ya'll notice how we have a little "quilt consciousness" going here at the Swamp. Ideas come to each of us that seem to all fit together like a quilt. Sometimes those ideas seem to fall right out of the sky.

And with everything we discuss, usually someone here is chosen to provide a healthy challenge to the concept. It's not always the easy role to play, it takes courage but it's always good that someone does it. Can't accept any concept without it being tested. If a concept can't hold up to challenge and scrutiny, then it ain't something worth holding on to.

Our local TV station has a little "Does it Work" segment. They buy some of the junk advertised on TV and test it out to see if it does what it says it's suppose to do. It's neat. We do some of that here with ideas.

Carol said...

What is this all about? I guess I need to go look and see.

Craig Crawford Leaving MSNBC: 'Unrewarding,' 'Cartoon Player For Lefty Games'

Carol said...

Wow, that took courage. I guess we weren't the only ones who were sick and tired of it!

Coreen said...

Good morning.

Carol, no need to worry about those owls & me...my feathered friends know I'm only there to help...

As far as Craig, as you probably already have
seen, he announced yesterday that he was no
longer going to be on msnbc, contract almost
up....originally there was a note (& you probably got an email saying he was to be on
fox this coming Monday)& someone raised the issue of being on fox....once he stated his
comments at tm, it was picked up on various
sites...

The note about being on fox
was removed from tm & he did mention something
that suggested he was not appearing there(FOX) at least for awhile....

What I found so revealing though, is the venomous comments directed at him,(Huffington posters)...who says liberals/progressives are the kinder-gentler breed....that they are somehow more noble than those hated right wing thugs/neandrethals...their own words expose them....

Carol said...

I learned early in the primaries that the liberals/progressives WEREN'T the kinder-gentler breed. I was really shocked.

Solar said...

Carol,

"And with everything we discuss, usually someone here is chosen to provide a healthy challenge to the concept. It's not always the easy role to play, it takes courage but it's always good that someone does it. Can't accept any concept without it being tested. If a concept can't hold up to challenge and scrutiny, then it ain't something worth holding on to."

This is exactly true...and the reason that I was questioning Mr. Targ..not that I don't agree with him..but i would like to know where he is coming from...can say all of the nice words ( anyone ) but where are they coming from is more important; or just as important to me. I like to analyze the character as well as the things that is said.

Sorta like this:

It doesn't matter to me, if a person is a Dem or a Republican..what he does, or what will he do; is just as important. That's why I look at both party's equally...so far it looks like they don't do things too much differently.!

Im like the man behind the telescope....he doesn't want to know the name of something...he wants to know what it does.!!

Will try to remember the exact wording to that thought.....mean while I do remember another one:

There was a young man who sai, "though it seems that I know that I know; what I know would like to see is the I that knows 'me' when I know that I know that I know"

later...nice sunny day...going to go and get scolded by the supreme Pink around here.............My Mother HA.!!

Solar said...

damn 2 way radios.....sai=said

Solar said...

danm 2 way radios.......sai= said

Chloe said...

"damn 2 way radios.......sai= said"

.... you can say that again. :)

Chloe said...

"I learned early in the primaries that the liberals/progressives WEREN'T the kinder-gentler breed. I was really shocked."

We learned all kinds of things during that election. More proof that nothing is as it seems.

Chloe said...

Carol, Love your consciousness quilt theory. When you put it that way, makes me understand even more so why we should welcome differing ideas.

Also, your 'tapestry of love' that you shared with us was beautifully said too. Seems like as spring approaches, the whole world is better. I know it's psychological, but I don't seem to have any control over that feeling.

Chloe said...

Just have to share my horoscope today: "Still letting every thought fly from your lips just as soon as it crosses your mind? Well, good for you. Feels pretty good, doesn't it? Along those lines, though, you should know that while you'll still be telling it like it is for the next couple of days, your bluntness will be tempered with more than a bit of humor -- and your friends, who are probably all a little exhausted from keeping up with you, will be tickled. And relieved."

It's so right, I usually speak without thinking, or at least they happen simultaneously - get's me into a lot of trouble - just one more thing I can't seem to control.

Chloe said...

http://ct-carolssouthernspice.blogspot.com/2010/03/nothing-is-happening-except-to-extent.html?showComment=1267843713193#c5369753463745238747

Ivy, I sure hope you keep sharing those readings with us. When you're not too busy sometime, it would be so great if you'd turn one of them into a post. They could keep us going for days.

Chloe said...

Solar, My post wasn't actually about Targ as much as about limitations and awareness and our ability to make things happen and our ability to change. I don't believe in ESP, but I do believe that the mind is a powerful tool, and that we can accomplish amazing things, when we put our minds to it.

I also believe that our ability to feel happy (and content) is controlled by our thoughts, as is motivation. Targ's books are as good as anyone elses, in my opinion, to help us learn to use these techniques. I even love the titles of his books: ex. 'Limitless Mind' and 'Do you see what I see', etc.. Those titles alone tell me so much. The words 'Do you see what I see' make me think about perception, empathy, questioning our reality, learning and changing, and the realization that there are other ideas out there as real as our own. I don't see how someone's willingness to share the ideas that work for them can ever be anything, but beneficial.

I could care less who Targ is. All I'm interested in are the words - and they work for me. He's saying what I want to hear, therefore I'm listening. Those word: 'Do yo see what I see' actually represent hope and promise to me. The way he communicates his ideas is so refreshing.

The 'words are just a tool to get to where we want to go. And I don't think he's saying anything that we don't 'really' already know. We just need to be reminded.

Chloe said...

OK then, done shooting off my mouth, and off to face the day.

Carol said...

Hey, don't knock that ESP stuff. There are all different degrees of perception, even in the sensory areas. I have a friend who can walk thru a room and come out and tell you what everyone was wearing, clothes and shoes, and what each of them looked like. If I'm walking with her and she mentions any of it, I'll say "what, there were people in there?" Sometimes I have to trip over something to notice it.

On the other hand, I don't pass a goiter or other abnormal physical assessment finding without noticing it. I'm trained to do that. I think we can be trained to improve our perception, both sensory and extrasensory. I'm game to try. Just might come in handy some day, huh, Coreen?

We are, at times, tuned into that universal consciousness. Thoughts pop in our little heads and we probably think we invented them. Nope, I'm pretty sure someone else came up with it before. Now if we quiet our minds of all the other BS that's rattling around in our heads we might be able to pull in some of those neat ideas more often, instead of just letting them pop in by accident.

Bet ya can't argue too much with that, huh Solar?

Carol said...

Just popped in post grocery shopping. I got some better bird seed this week. I think I have enough land fill under my feeder right now with all that uneaten Milo. The Doves do like some of that Milo. It's in the mid 60s here and rising with a beautiful blue southern sky. Ahhhhh!

Chloe said...

Ooops, I shoulda said I haven't experienced ESP, 'not' that I don't believe in it. I do believe in that Universal Consciousness that you speak of Carol - I just don't think I'd ever be able to bend a spoon with my mind. If I ever bent any spoons, or looked through walls, my psyche would never be able to handle it. Way too much responsibility for me. I always have to leave a little bit of doubt in the equation.

Like Ivy says, we just need to enjoy those 'wow' moments, without being responsible for making them happen. No witchcraft for me either - no matter what Solar says!

Chloe said...

"I think we can be trained to improve our perception, both sensory and extrasensory. I'm game to try."

Me too Carol. With the help of Russell Targ.

Ivy Green said...

Good suggestion, Chloe. If "youze guys" are not bored with those daily readings, I can probably be inspired to feature one or two on occasion. And speaking of witchcraft (Chloe, you did mention it), my current book is "Wicked" by Gregory Maguire. It's the real story of the Wicked Witch of the West. I think they even made a play or musical out of it. If you know the story, don't spoil the end for me. I can't wait to see how she turns out (her mother was an alcoholic...who would have guessed??) lol

Ivy Green said...

"Until today, you may have allowed yourself to be sucked into the energy of bad thoughts, bad feelings and bad experiences. Just for today, remind yourself that bad cannot bother you unless you are available."

~ Iyanla Vanzant

Ivy Green said...

More synchronicity! The program brought me the following reading today:

"I felt my life was on hold. I wanted change; I expected it; I even tried to make it happen. But it was not within my power to make any of the changes I wanted. I was frustrated. I'm an action-taker, so I feel better when I am busy and industrious. There IS a time to act. But in Al-Anon,I learned there is also a time to NOT act -- to stop and wait. As my Sponsor puts it, " Don't just do something, sit there."
How often I still find myself impatient with the pace of life. But today, when things don't happen according to my schedule, I can accept that there may be a reason, and I can learn to adjust to what it is. I may be experiencing great change on the inside even though I see little evidence on the outside. I can keep in mind that waiting time doesn't have to mean wasted time. Even times of stillness have lessons to teach me....The invitation to live life fully is offered to me each day. I can accept the pace of change today, knowing it will bring both times of active involvement and periods of quiet waiting. I will let the surprises of the day open up before me. "

"Besides the noble art of getting things done; there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of nonessentials."

~Lin Yutang

Ivy Green said...

A fellow who looked just like this came to see me today...he's a rare visitor...

Red Head

Carol said...

Nice readings Ivy and fit perfectly with the quote Chloe lead her post with, which I still don't know who said.

It's something that I need to work on. Just learning to exist and appreciate without worrying about what I should or need to be doing. Seems I always have some guilt gnawing on me.

Carol said...

Was your woodpecker at the feeder or banging on a tree?

Ivy Green said...

The e-mail link to this article has been sitting -- unread -- in my inbox for days if not a week. Something wasn't letting me delete it even though I felt no urge to open and read it...until now...lol

"Ignorance, or avidya, is a root cause of suffering, according to Patanjali's Yoga Sutra (II.5). But the ignorance Patanjali refers to is less a lack of knowledge than an almost willful ignoring of reality. Today we call it denial. For instance, we may intellectually know that all things change, yet we desperately deny this truth—a denial that leads to anxiety, fear, and confusion...the Five Remembrances is what the Buddha offers to awaken you from denial, to cultivate gratitude and appreciation for the life you've been given, and to teach you about nonattachment and equanimity."

Embrace Reality

It is always difficult to contemplate the Five Remembrances. But it is said that by only facing and accepting them are we led onto the path to freedom from worry.

The Five Remembrances are:
1. I am sure to become old; I cannot avoid ageing.
2. I am sure to become ill; I cannot avoid illness.
3. I am sure to die; I cannot avoid death.
4. I must be separated and parted from all that is dear and beloved to me.
5. I am the owner of my actions, heir of my actions, actions are the womb (from which I have sprung), actions are my relations, actions are my protection. Whatever actions I do, good or bad, of these I shall become their heir.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
I was working on that long thing and didn't see your question. The red-headed woodpecker came to the feeder and the suet cake. He was in full afternoon sunlight which made his red head shine!

Carol said...

Craig said he was bored with cable news. What took him so long?

Carol said...

At least 4 of those 5 rememberances I'd prefer not to remember.

Carol said...

Some of those people commenting on Huff Post have been pretty rough on Craig. That's something else I don't like about politics. It seems to bring out the worst in people. Craig would be better off getting his fish camp.

jan said...

Ivy, what a treat to have the red-headed woodpecker to view. We have some woodpeckers visit occasionally but not one with such beautiful coloring.

jan said...

I have missed visiting with you all today. This was my day to sort stuff for taxes. I have a box I throw stuff in all year and then in March sometime I sort it all out to get ready to go to the accountant. I know a lot of people do their own taxes, but not me. We still have our tax accountant in ARk. so we will be making a visit to see him the end of March.

jan said...

Ivy, thank you for sharing these wonderful sayings.

I saw a bunch of robins today, not just one or two. Spring is on its way.

Carol said...

Thanks Jan for reminding me. That's one of those things on my "I don't want to do but have to" list today. It's nice you have a box that you throw things in. That is not in my DNA, I'm ashamed to have to admit. Some of my stuff is at the house since I didn't move out here until around Easter. Some of it is in a pile in my bedroom, some on the kitchen table and some of it is still in my truck. That's kinda why I have it on that list because it will be a challenging task.

Mom programed, that you will never be anything but a slob, into my head the entire time I was growing up. How in the hell did she think I would change if she continued to pump that message into my head. If I have a table sitting next to me, it will be cluttered. If I clean it off, in five minutes, the clutter will crawl right back. It's a phenomena!

Carol said...

Well, I haven't gotten around to my, need or should do, list yet. I did put a worm on a line to test the fishing, cleaned out my birdbath, blew seeds off the deck, went and put some clothes in the dryer, watched fishing videos, and watched the birds at the feeder.

There are things we absolutely have to do if we want to survive or at least survive outside of the joint. That includes go to work, pay bills and taxes, secure a food source. What else?

Much of the rest of it is lagniappe. That's what we call, a little extra, down here in Louisiana. I just like to pick and choose what lagniappe activity I want to involve myself in. I will have to say that this attitude is only acceptable when you live alone or with a pet that can't complain. You guys with partners can't get by with that attitude.

Carol said...

And I still have that "dust if you must" tape that Ivy's mom left with her, playing in my head. I don't think I've dusted since she shared that poem with us. Well, maybe a couple of times.

jan said...

Carol, you have the best idea - put a worm on a hook, put food out for the birds and then sit and watch the birds.

My granddaughter came over today and brought her 2 month old baby, Abigail. I had such a good time holding and feeding Abigail. This was only the 4th time I have seen her and I had her all to myself too, of course with mother Amie standing by. Amie said I can keep Abilgail overnight some time. Abigail is a little bitty thing. She will be 2 months old on the 11th and weighs 9 lbs and 2 oz. We weighed her today - I have my own baby scales. She is a little piggy when she eats. She gained weight kind of slow at first, but now she is gaining weight faster. She only weighed 5 lbs and 14 oz at birth.

jan said...

Carol, If I was really organized, I would have a filing system where I would file every piece of needed paper that comes in the house instead of throwing it in a box.

jan said...

Carol, Really, what else is there??
"There are things we absolutely have to do if we want to survive or at least survive outside of the joint. That includes go to work, pay bills and taxes, secure a food source. What else?"

Chloe said...

Jan, That is so great that you got to visit with your new grandbaby up close and personal today ( and that you also spent time with your granddaughter). I bet your grandbaby being so tiny, just makes her all the more precious.

Carol, Sounds to me like you got a lot done today - all the important things anyway. Now me, I didn't accomplish much of anything. I was just practicing what was said in Ivy's quote: "Besides the noble art of getting things done; there is the noble art of leaving things undone..."

... from now on, that's my excuse. :)


By the way Ivy, I just loved your quote above, about the five remembrances:
"1. I am sure to become old; I cannot avoid ageing.
2. I am sure to become ill; I cannot avoid illness.
3. I am sure to die; I cannot avoid death.
4. I must be separated and parted from all that is dear and beloved to me.
5. I am the owner of my actions, heir of my actions, actions are the womb (from which I have sprung), actions are my relations, actions are my protection. Whatever actions I do, good or bad, of these I shall become their heir."

I mean, who wants to admit that we have no control over those things (even though it's obvious we don't). I like number 5 a lot. I guess the first four are about letting go, but the fifth is about being held accountable.

Something more that puts things into perspective.

Chloe said...

Hope you and your daughter worked things out today Ivy. Best wishes to you both.

Chloe said...

Jan, If they're treating you as though your invisible at work (I'm not sure that was just temporary though), why not use the time to prepare yourself mentally for your new future. If you have extra time at work, do the things that will accomplish this. Get into yourself, and take advantage of any extra time you have while you're there.

It'll give you a head start when you finally do retire. You can work on your plans, and jump right into them when the time comes. New lives require some planning. That's what makes things run smoothly, and it's always so uplifting to have things to look forward to.

Start thinking about what 'you' want Jan. You may be surprised.

... see you all tomorrow.

Chloe said...

OMG, I just saw this over on TM, left there by Jack: "I think owning the fish camp is a bit like having a milk cow. The fresh milk and butter and cheese are great but you have to get up every morning and milk the cow. You got a hangover from last night TS, You gotta milk the cow. You want to take a trip? Not happening, you got to milk the cow."

It made me realize that I'm going to always have to milk the cow. It's my destiny.

... could be worse, I guess.

Carol said...

You have a milk cow Chloe?? And you haven't figured that out yet??

Carol said...

Yep, it was about cows and fish camps over there. Both more interesting than politics IMO.

Carol said...

I guess they are also burning out.

jan said...

Chloe, you are so right about what you said "to use my time to plan what I want to do next." I hope you guys will forgive my little pity party. I am so fortunate to have a job to retire from.

Chloe, do you really have a milk cow? If so, do you milk it?

I enjoyed the Academy Awards tonight. Now, there are so many great movies I want to see. I don't know if any of you watched them, but what was going on with George Clooney? Several times when the camera was on him, he made strange faces. The women's dresses were magnificent. I was so glad that Katherine Bigelow won for best director & best picture.

Carol said...

Chloe, I'm still waiting to hear about the milk cow or were you using it as a metaphor. We want details. Maybe you can do a new post on that experience. A pic of old Bessie would be cool.

Jan, I saw that face Clooney made also. I wondered what that was all about. I wonder if they were planning on saying something and they stopped when they got that look or if they got that look because they weren't planning on saying anything.

I didn't get to see much of the program because my antenna was acting up. Then I headed to the bedroom where I don't have a Network antenna set up.

I haven't seen any of the movies either. Someone on TM said that if you want to see Avatar you need to see it in a IMAX theater in 3d, not on your TV. That makes sense. It will probably lose a lot on the TV. Can they do 3d on a DVD? If it is possible, where would you get the glasses to watch it?

Chloe said...

Hey guys, I was using it as a metaphor. You know what my life's like here. It's almost impossible to get away for even one day. Or if I do, it needs to be close enough that I can get back by the end of the day.

We've talked about getting some help in the future, but that will depend on finances. So meantime, we have be here to milk the cows (that we don't have) :)

Chloe said...

... It really is funny that you guys could picture me sitting here 'milking a cow'. You have to remember, I'm a city girl at hear. Ha!

Chloe said...

Oh, but I have to mention, we did have a calf for a while, several years back (no milk though). We kept her long enough for her to tear everything apart, and break down most of the fences. Then we found her a new home. Molly, a real sweetheart, but wanted to go all over the property, and broke down any fences (or anything else) that happened to be in the way. She ended up on our neighbors properties more than once.

Solar said...

Chloe, The cow milking city gal....hahahha

Don't U know our little mz Side-Saddle-Sally?
have a little catching up to do...but it looks like everything is normal around here.!!

Raining now and a little cool.....nice weather is just around the corner.!!

Solar said...

I once posted an experience that I had when we were sent out to round up ole ( a cow) 89. she was crossed with a buffalo, and the calf, called a beefalo...it was a real fun time for us..that were there.! This is were the step and a half dance was created.....wanna hear it later??

Solar said...

I did see the awards of and on.....did not see any of the movies and probably won't until they come to cable...I don't think that G. Clooney was anything but G. C. ..i like him as a person, and actor.! Like S. Martin a lot...I think that his humor, makes people think..don't like that tough guy Alec Baldwin, or his brothers.!!

Chloe said...

Solar, I kinda remember you telling a cow story, but can't remember how it went. Can you tell us?

I'm glad to see you got a laugh out of the idea of me milking a cow. By the way, I don't even drink milk, except in cereal (and, of course ice cream and yogurt).

Chloe said...

.... forgot, hope your visit with your mom went well this weekend.

Oh, and it's raining (lightly, so far) here too today. I love rain, but I already miss the sun.

Chloe said...

"I hope you guys will forgive my little pity party."

Jan, What you said didn't sound like pity to me. I was just empathizing with what you were feeling (and witnessing) and was thinking what I do in your position.

Remember that when you mention your feelings about things to us, you're helping us too. When we have similar things happen to us (and similar feelings), then we'll find comfort in knowing that we're not alone, and that things will work out. I love your honesty, and would never mistake honest feelings for pity.

Solar said...

Chloe,

.....wasn't laughing at U...but with U...I like the way that u take care of the critters...specially my hoss Cheyenne,

I like the rain, but when it is not cold.! I also like it at night.! It interferes with construction too much....thanks, my visit with my Mom was great...told her a semi dirty joke..she pretended to not understand it...pulled my ear...and most of all; she was in the mood to fill in some family history...

How is Emma, she running yet?

jan said...

Solar, we mothers don't like to hear jokes from our sons - we want to know what is going on in their lives - :)) How great that she filled you in on some famiy history. Cherish that time with her.

jan said...

Chloe, now I get it about the cow thing.

Thanks for all the kind words but I was having a pity party. I was feeling sorry for myself - and it was misguided. My big problem is I have been concerned about my granddaughter - and now things are much better. I still have some concerns but at least she is communicating with me now and she wasn't for a while.

jan said...

Solar, There were times I did not like Alec Baldwin too. When he left that awful message to his 13 year old daughter on her phone I did not like him at all. I could see him talking to his wife like that - they were going through a divorce- but he was calling his daughter names like she was an adult and not his daughter. He gave Tina Fey credit for saving his career last night. I wonder if he has made a change and apologized to his daughter. I really like Tina Fey and wonder if she saw something redemptive in him that the rest of us could not see.

jan said...

Solar, I like George Clooney too - just wondered what his facial expressions were about or it is possible the cameras caught him off guard.

Chloe said...

Jan, Glad to hear that things are getting better between you and your granddaughter. Those baby hormones can do some pretty strange things for a while, and things are probably getting back to normal for her.

Chloe said...

Solar, Emma's not walking or running yet. I've been anxious about it, and so I spent last evening night reading what mothers had to say to each other about babies that didn't start walking until 14 months or later, and I felt more at ease afterward.

They all thought it was perfectly normal for some kids to walk later than 13 months, and many had two or three kids that walked 'much' later (so I'm preparing myself, just in case). Jan told me her first born started waking at 14 months, and we're not quite there yet, so I'm hoping.

Emma spends most of her time standing and cruising around doors, furniture, or just standing on her own, takes a few steps alone occasionally, but can't be coaxed to take off across the room. I don't want her to sense my anxiety about it, so I'm careful to back off. Everyone keeps telling me to enjoy it while I can, because once she starts, there'll be no rest for anyone.


She's a champion crawler, and seems content to get around that way for the time being. I know she's on her own schedule, and she's never done anything early: sitting up, crawling, etc. , and I've always been in a hurry, but she just doesn't listen to me. I think this is her way of telling me to chill. :)

Carol said...

OK Chloe, if that's the case, I got of couple of them thar milk cows myself. A Maggie cow and a job cow. Both keep me tied down. I'm not complaining because I've grown to love those two cows. One day I can give up that job cow but I don't want to ever give up my Maggie cow. Maggie is far less addicted to me than I am to her. She'd love a vacation.

I'm afraid to leave her for long with anyone. Only Mary and for short periods because she can be a hand full. The biggest problem is that she can't wear a normal collar and the harness I use, she can easily get all wrapped up in if it is left on. Putting it on requires a Master's degree. Mary's dog already has enough of his special needs.

And Jan don't worry about pity parties if it weren't for pity parties, I wouldn't ever have a party to go to. Well, not that often. And I'm not really into being around a lot of people for long anyway. Fortunately there are only one of two who will attend my pity parties. Usually I have to block their exits to keep them around for long.

It probably will be a bit of a loss to have to give up something that has been a good part of your identity for so long. Just really recognized that recently. You do have lots of hobbies and a neat family to keep you busy. It won't be long before you start wondering how in the hell you ever had time to go to work.

Glad things are better with your granddaughter. Those young people want to work things out for themselves at times and they don't think their elders will understand. We might not always remember what we went thru but we do understand more than they realize. And we often have some good advice.

Actually grandparents can be less threatening in dealing with problems than parents.

Carol said...

Chloe, it's probably good she's getting that crawling time in. Seems I've read that people who walked before they crawled much had certain problems. Can't remember what they were but I do remember they had grown ups going back to crawling for some reason. It was a long time ago.

Solar said...

Chloe,

Thanks for the up date about Emma...Don't worry about her not wanting things on the spot....My son Tom sometimes has trouble waiting for something even as an adult....he was spoiled by everyone except me...he now tells me that waiting and thinking things thru, are much better for him...

Jan,

Im the one that my Mom takes any guff from..she expects me to start some kind of tiff with her, or she thinks that something is wrong.....I did not know any family history until a cpl of years ago....like I said....a book can be written about it....and she was an Annie Oakly type..she could ride, shoot, Lived on a ranch that was huge...took 25 min. to drive thru it....the government took most of it..and divided it...said that my G.G. grand father was too powerful...just getting the real reasons for us being here in the states......well have to go and get some plates for a trk......I don't like A. Baldwin, cos he is a tough guy...I hate tough guys....they like to push their weight around...just cos they can....

jan said...

Chloe, I can "hear" your concern in your words. I do developmental testing with young children. You say she spends a lot of her time in a standing position -she is cruising and stands alone and takes a few steps - that is just fine for where she is. She is getting those muscles ready. She is doing fine. I think she is just super-cautious. Once she decides that it is safe to let go of the furniture, and you, and anything else she can hang onto - she will literally be off and running.

jan said...

Emma is closer to you than anyone else. I am sure she senses anything you are feeling.

jan said...

Your Emma reminds me of my relationship with my granddaughter. I am closer to her than any other grandchild. She has been more of a daughter than a granddaughter. I hurt when she hurts - that is how bad it is.

jan said...

Carol & Chloe, I really screwed up when my granddaughter had high Bp at the end of her pregnancy. I acted like a nurse instead of a grandmother. I am having to really work on that now.

jan said...

Solar, Your mother sounds like a fascinating lady. What stories she must have to tell. I am so sorry about the land the gov't took from your family. You should tape her stories she tells you. I wish I had done that before my dad died.

jan said...

Well, I will stop writing now and wait to see who comes out to play.

Carol said...

I was a little more forgiving when it came to that cell phone conversation that was recorded between Baldwin and his daughter. I'm sure there were conversations I had with my mother over the years that neither one of us would have wanted the world to hear, at least without them knowing the details. Really wouldn't want that out either. Maybe it is because I came from a fairly dysfunctional family. I did dream of having a family where nothing but loving things came from our mouths but that wasn't in our destiny.

You guys must have had an occasional doozy with your teenagers at some time, no?

Carol said...

Were you guys all like June or Ward Cleaver or some of those other perfect TV families?

Carol said...

Solar, you have mentioned before that you had some pretty rough times growing up.

Carol said...

Jan, you just can't take the nurse out of the grandmother. Sorry.

Carol said...

And Solar I have often found that the wanting and anticipating was actually more fun than the having. Once you get something the new starts to wear off fast. The fantasy sometimes even beats the reality.

Maybe that is what happened to people like Tiger. There was not much that he couldn't have anymore. That certainly can lead to trouble.

Solar said...

Im not going to talk about Tiger anymore, and that final...t he shmuck.! Carol, so rough that I left for the Military at age 17, my Mom had to sign for me....I left on Mothers day of 68...

Chloe is a great G-ma....she knows that things will never be perfect..but if U work at things...they will be less uncomfortable, or dangerous. Emma will be just fine...she needs to start walking tho, and get a job...no free ride with Sally.!

Carol said...

I just used Tiger as an example of someone who has just about everything he wants. What's to look forward to anymore. I've certainly had lots of fun over the years wanting and dreaming of getting something I desired. And when I look back those were some of the best times.

Chloe said...

Jan, Thanks. I agree, she can walk but just isn't that motivated yet, for whatever reason. She's having so much fun, I don't think it's entered her mind yet that things need to change. There's not much anxiety for her to sense from me, because I accept everything about her. Besides, she's not a personality that can be pushed. If I try to push her to do something she doesn't want to do, she does the opposite. Hmm, don't know where she gets it. :)

Chloe said...

".... things will never be perfect..but if U work at things...they will be less uncomfortable, or dangerous"

Solar, That statement is right on - you are so wise (and know me so well.

Perfect isn't a reasonable expectation.

Chloe said...

"You guys must have had an occasional doozy with your teenagers at some time, no?"

You better believe it Carol. Teenagers and parents are not meant to get along, at least in my house they butt heads.

Not a great childhood for me Carol. That's why I don't talk about it.

I actually think I'm a better grandmother than mother - you've heard me say that before. My relationship with Emma is pure love - I'm not sure we're capable of that kind of relationship when we're young. I mean many people are, but I don't think I was as good at love then as I am now.

Chloe said...

... oops, 182 comments. I'd better shut up. Hope someone has a post up there sleeve, or we'll have to do a continuation post.

See you guys tomorrow.

Carol said...

Coreen, Ivy, everything OK?

jan said...

"My relationship with Emma is pure love - I'm not sure we're capable of that kind of relationship when we're young."

Chloe, I completely agree. In primitive cultures the grandmothers usually raise the children. I credit my mom and dad with my 2 oldest sons surviving and thriving when when they were little ones. I loved them dearly, but I was too distracted by other issues going on in my life to provide the attention they needed. My mother was a good mother and grandmother, but my dad was a much better grandfather to my boys than he was a dad. For that I will always be grateful to him

jan said...

Hello all, I have put up a new post.

jan said...

No, I took it down. I did not like it after all. So sorry.

jan said...

OK, I have put up a new post.