Tuesday, March 2, 2010

Movie Misquotes

You have probably heard these movie lines many times, but did you know that they are likely to be
misquotes of what was really said...

Two of the most famous are from the same movie, Casablanca. (my all time #1 favorite movie)

'Play it again Sam', that many think Humphrey Bogart as Rick Blaine said was really not said by him at all, in fact, the actual lines were delivered by Ingrid Bergman's character Ilsa Lund, and they were, 'Play it once, Sam, for old time's sake'. Then she said 'Play it Sam, play 'As Time Goes By'.... Later in the movie, Rick says, 'You played it for her, you can play it for me...if she can stand to listen to it, I can. Play it'....The confusion is
sometimes attributed to Woody Allen's movie 'Play it again Sam'.....

And the last line of Casablanca is often misquoted as well. When Rick & Louis (Claude Raines) are walking off into the fog, Rick says, 'Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship'...but is usually remembered as, "I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship'.....

From 'Gone With the Wind', Rhett Butler (Clark Gable) is often misquoted in one of the most popular movie lines of all time. He never says
'Scarlett" in that famous put down line of all time..."Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn'...










Can't forget Dirty Harry, when Clint Eastwood delivers those unforgettable words, while pointing that 44 Magnum at the perp, 'You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?'....but it is now simply, 'Do you feel
lucky, punk?'....







In Field of Dreams, Kevin Costner's character, Ray Kinsella, keeps hearing a voice telling him,
'If you build it, he will come' referring to Shoeless Joe Jackson & later his dad, John Kinsella, but it is now remembered as, 'If you build it, they will come'....







Another not quite what was really said, is Mae
West's infamous come hither line, 'Why don't you come up and see me sometime?'....

As Lady Lou in the film 'She Done Him Wrong', she really said, 'Why don't you come up some time and see me. I'm home every evening.'...








Then there is that titan of Wall Street, Michael Douglas'
character Gordon Geko, who said 'The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed---for lack of a better word---is good'...but now it is simply, 'Greed is good'....













Another famous movie line, was delivered by Bette Davis, as Margo Channing in All Aboout Eve, the line was "Fasten your seat belts, its going to be a bumpy night' but usually it is repeated as 'fasten your seat belt, its going to be a bumpy ride'....

From one of my favorite old TV series, you probably think that Captain James T. Kirk, was always saying, 'Beam me up, Scotty', well though many similar phrases were spoken by various crew members, not until the movie 'Star Trek
IV', did Captain Kirk say anything close, when he said, 'Scotty, beam me up'.....








And if you thought Johnny Weissmuller said, 'Me Tarzan, you Jane', well, you would be wrong...In the movie, 'Tarzan the Ape Man', he says 'Tarzan, Jane', while tapping his chest as he says Tarzan and tapping Maureen O'Sullivan as he says Jane...













In Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, the evil queen consults her mirror on the wall, however, instead of the famous quote we remember, 'Mirror, mirror on the wall,
who is the fairest of them all?', she really said, 'Magic mirror on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?'......

So listen closely, things are not always as they seem....

177 comments:

Coreen said...

It's almost Oscar Sunday, so here's some famous
movie lines, that are often remembered & repeated just a little differently, then what
was really said in the movie....

Coreen said...

And though I don't know who most of these
people are, here's the Dancing with the stars
lineup for the new shows that begin March 22.

New Dancing with the Stars cast

thornwil said...

Love your post, Coreen. It's really brought back some fond memories. But I thought Rhett Butler in "Gone With the Wind" did say "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn". What did he say?

Coreen said...

A very long article in the New Yorker, reviewing some books about aspects of psychiatry that touches on so many issues, use of meds, depression, therapy,
etc., but may be of interest...it was mentioned
at TM today & reminded me of some of the discussion here....suggests that there is little consensus as to the value of contemporary psychatry, lots of historical info
about anti anxiety drugs, depresssion treatments, DSM....

Head Case Can psychiatry be a science?

Coreen said...

Hey Mary, not usually around together, how are you doing. Do you work nights at a hospital or
did I misunderstand what you did?

Just posted an article that may be of interest.

As far as Rhett's quote, maybe I did not say it clearly, yes, that is his line, but he never used her name, as is sometimes repeated,
that is, 'Frankly, Scarlett, I do not give a damn'....

Coreen said...

And I typed one of the words wrong too...do not should be don't....

Coreen said...

And just in time for Easter & since you know
you can't resist at least one of those pink, purple, yellow, white oh so very, very sweet marshmallow 'peeps', no matter the sugar shock....now comes chocolate covered peeps!

Just Born unleashes Chocolate-covered Peeps

thornwil said...

Coreen,
I work days but I'm always off different days. I work every other weekend but during the week my days always change. You would think after working at that hospital for 21 yrs. I could have a set schedule.
I always heard the quote as "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn". That was one of my favorite quotes.

Chloe said...

Good post Coreen. I'd forgotten that the Academy Awards were coming up so soon. My favorite quote, which I thought came from a movie, although I can't remember which one, is from Woody Allen (I don't like the guy anymore though): "I did not marry the first girl that I fell in love with, because there was a tremendous religious conflict, at the time. She was an atheist, and I was an agnostic."

... another is from 'Arsenic and Old Lace': "Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops."

Chloe said...

Also, speaking of the Academy Awards, here's a good site that lists all the nominees, if anyone is interested: Nominations - 2010 Academy Awards

You got me going on the Academy Awards, although I don't know if I'll watch it this year, since I'm not all that excited by the movies nominated. I did like Jeff Bridges movie though 'Crazy Heart'. He's another one of my favorite actors.

Anyway, another little piece of information regarding this years Awards program: Iraq war takes centre stage at Oscars:

"Seven years after Michael Moore was booed off the Oscars stage for protesting the invasion of Iraq, a film depicting the conflict is poised to take the top prize at the Academy Awards.

With less than a week to go until the Oscars are handed out at the Kodak Theater, Kathryn Bigelow's gritty "The Hurt Locker" is the overwhelming favorite to be crowned best picture.

If successful, it will represent a significant breakthrough for feature films about the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, which until "The Hurt Locker" had been viewed as commercial and critical poison." Iraq takes centre stage

jan said...

Coreen, I like this post. I love movies - new and old. Some that I keep hearing - but often cannot remember the movie:

"You can't handle the truth" from ??

"I Gotta get me one of these" - Independence Day by Will Smith - talking about a spaceship (one of John's favorite movies).

Chloe said...

... from the last thread: "'Yesterday evening I tried again to watch some cable news but it wasn't long before it just stressed me out too much. I wonder how I managed to do it for so many years."

Carol, I don't know why I watched it so long either. Mainly now, if I try to or happen to hear it on the radio, it mostly just annoys me. Once you accept the fact that it's all so slanted, and that we're the ones being 'programmed', it starts to become somewhat meaningless too. I prefer to get my information online. Sometimes just reading the headlines tells me as much as I want to know, but I have the choice of deciding what's important myself, instead of someone else telling me what I should think and care about.

Chloe said...

Oh, and Carol, Don't know if you've checked your extended forecast, but it's supposed to get up to 70 next week, and stay close to that for several days. Hello Spring!

Chloe said...

This is undoubtedly off topic, and I have no idea why I'm linking it, except that I found it interesting enough to read it thoroughly, for some reason. It's pretty creepy though (glad I'm not a queen ant).

"A mighty struggle for ultimate power, with calls of "death to the queen" answered by armies of workers, is routine in some ant colonies. Queen ants are therefore sometimes forced to take care of themselves rather than look out for the good of their colonies, a new study suggests.

Queen ants will do whatever it takes to be the last one standing, even if it means producing fewer young workers to the detriment of the collective. Queen Ant Will Sacrifice Colony to Retain Throne

... OK then, more than you'd ever want to know about ants, I'm sure. But still, surprising I didn't know this stuff until today. I'll go to bed wiser tonight. :)

Chloe said...

Jan, That was so funny when you were describing John falling asleep across from you while he was on the computer. What a rascal you are for taking his picture! Did he mind? And did he know you shared his nap with the rest of us? Thanks Jan, I got such a good laugh picturing it all happening. Him falling asleep with his fingers still on the key board is almost as good as Carol's friend falling asleep with a bite of a hot dog in her mouth. I know Carol said it wasn't funny to her, but it still makes me laugh, just thinking about it.

Chloe said...

I'm going back to read your link on psychiatry Coreen. Looks like just the type of thing I enjoy reading. Thanks for linking it - I know it's not where your interest lies, but I'm so glad you brought it over here. I haven't been reading TM lately.

Carol said...

Neat post Coreen. I like the quotes you listed and heres some of my other favorites.

OK name where these came from:

“Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re gonna get.”

“Go ahead, make my day.”

“You talkin’ to me?”

“Love means never having to say you’re sorry.”

“Here’s looking at you, kid.”

“You’re gonna need a bigger boat.”

"I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies." (I like to use this one a lot and it's true.)

Carol said...

Chloe, maybe that Queen Bee syndrome they talk about when women will not help other women climb to the top of the pile should be called Queen Ant syndrome instead.

Carol said...

And Chloe, I thought it was going to be warm today. It looked warm but most of the day it was in the upper 40s with a stiff wind. I was freezing. Maybe this is good enough for Solar but not me!

Carol said...

Coreen, before you linked that list of people who were going to be on DWTS, I saw an article about it. It looks like Kate's kids will be seeing a lot of a baby sitter. I heard her say a while back that she wanted to be in it.

It really aggravates me. She used her big family to get into showbiz and now she dumps them on someone else to take care of.

Carol said...

"You can't handle the truth" came from that military show, A Few Good Men with Tom Cruise and what's his name, oh yeah, Jack Nicholson.

Carol said...

And Chloe, I was looking thru the candy last weekend at Walmart for those dark chocolate Gold Brick eggs. Couldn't find any yet.

Coreen said...

Glad you guys liked the post...I like movies,
but mostly old movies...not recent so much..

Let's see if I can remember any of the quotes you guys mentioned.

Jack Nicholson, when he is an army officer, but I don't remember the movie's name or the other actor who was the lead...

Love Independence Day...watched it many times...I can see Will Smith saying that about
the ship...I like when Jeff Goldblum imitates
Elvis as they are fleeing the Martian mothership explosion

Smith 'Elvis has left the building'....Goldblum...
"Thank you very much".....

Arsenic & Old Lace, great comedy...I appreciate
B&W movies more now...what I remember is the
old guy(teddy roosevelt) running up the stairs, yelling 'charge'.....

Carol's lines, lets try some:
1. Forest Gump...I really didn't like that movie
2. Dirty Harry, love all of those heavy body
count movies
3. Want to say Robert deniro in taxi driver,
but not sure
4. Love Story, I think....
5. Again from my favorite movie, Casablanca, humphrey bogart saying it to ingrid bergman...
6. Jaws...remember when the scary music was playing it was ok, but when it stopped, the shark strikes. Wasn't it the cop (I can see
the actor, Roy Sheieder?)
7. Have no idea....

Coreen said...

Chloe, not sure of the context of why it came up at TM, maybe suggesting the creation of
'diseases' by big pharma to make $$$...not sure
but there is a lot in it, that I do not necessarily disagree with.....

Ivy Green said...

Thanks, Coreen for an entertaining post. Sometimes movies famously misquote other movies, as did a line in "Blazing Saddles" that goes, "Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!"

The real quote from the original movie "The Treasure of Sierra Madre" with Humphrey Bogart is "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges!"

Carol said...

Coreen, a prescription for misery would be great if what we would find in the medication bottle is...a nice relaxing vacation, or a great companion to share your life with, or a million bucks, or an exciting, challenging, well paying job or .......

The problem is that that's not what's in the bottle. It's just a pill that half ass helps us to be a little more satisfied with not having any of the above. I'm gonna try to hold out for the real thing or a pill that whole ass helps.

Coreen said...

I think sooner or later, the 24/7 news deluge
becomes just a bunch of jumbled screaming &
it takes an effort to listen to it all....so that you just want to tune them all out...which
I have been doing...

For me, I am still angry with the groveling MSNBC gang...I expected more from them, since there was a time, I enjoyed listening to their
views, but their Hillary character assassination cured me...

I can scan CNN & even FOX for a few minutes at a time, but really can't listen/watch any of them for very long...and guess what I don't seem to miss any of it....

Carol said...

That last quote was from Prissy in Gone with the Wind Coreen.

Coreen said...

Another classic Humphrey Bogart movie, Ivy.

If I remember correctly, wasn't he a bad guy in that one?

How about another classic line by Lauren Bacall to Humphrey, in I think 'To Have & Have Not'...'you know how to whistle don't, you, just put your lips together & blow'....

I love all of Bogey's movies, his Philip Marlowe with Lauren Bacall...The Maltese Falcon, with Sidney Greenstreet who was also in Casablanca...Key Largo with Cagney....

Which now reminds me of a song, maybe from the 70s...but can't remember it....one of the lines is 'just like bogey & bacall'....

Carol said...

Another quote I like is "this one time, at band camp..." Do you remember where that one came from?

Carol said...

Key Largo, Coreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru2tsT32pHA

Coreen said...

Not a clue, Carol....'this one time, at band camp'?...

And I don't remember that line from Gone With the Wind either...but for some reason, when I finally saw GWTW, I really disliked Scarlett, I
saw her as a manipulator...

jan said...

Chloe, I told him I shared his nap with the crew at the Swamp. He didn't mind my sharing or my taking his picture.

Carol said...

That line, "this one time, at band camp", came from American Pie.

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
I'm looking forward digging into that New Yorker article, and glad you linked it. I assuming you don't mind if one of us jumps to conclusions without yet reading it except the headline...lol

I've heard tell that article-writers and head-line writers are not one-and-the-same, and that may account for what I read as a slightly pejorative slant in the very title, "Can Psychiatry Be A Science?" Sounds like they're leading to the answer, "No, are you crazy?"

Social sciences are inexact for the reason they are "social." But they're still sciences. Economics is another social science and for the same reason...ever wonder why Wall Street brokers respond to market fluctuations like lemmings over a cliff? I don't recall anyone challenging that it's not a science (comes closer, I guess, because you have to apply math).

Carol said...

Scarlett was a spoiled brat. I also liked Rhett much better than Ashley.

jan said...

Coreen, I too remember the line in Independence Day - "Elvis has left the building" I think that line has been used in another movie.

Ivy Green said...

It's not just Wall Street brokers, we all respond to the scarcity mentality...if something is going to "run out" ...such as breadmilkandtoiletpaper...I will be in the stampede to Walmart to claim my share. How scientific is that? lol

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Did you see the fireworks on Dylan Ratigan today with the "conservative" commentator who wouldn't answer a direct question whether the Tea Party tolerates racist extremism?

Coreen said...

Ivy, not sure, but I think the writer of the
New Yorker piece is a book critic...it is a review of 2 books & in the article there is lots of historical info to mull over...

For what it's worth never really knew why valium lost favor, I do remember that lots of people popped them years ago, but it says it was very addictive....

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
I seem to recall in "Sierra Madre" that the Bogart character was a moderate bad guy who ran up against worser bad guys...

jan said...

There is a movie out "Elvis has left the building."

jan said...

Scarlett was a spoiled rotten southern girl but her character made the movie.

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,
Drug makers have taught us to treat pharmaceuticals as a fashion industry.

Coreen said...

Rhett was a rogue, but oh so irresistible, while Ashley (no offense) the southern gentleman was simply a wuss.....

Remember I have said I always go for the 'bad boy' types...my kinda guy still 'Sonny Crockett/Don Johnson...Miami Vice TV...

Carol, yes Key Largo!, I still have that line
echoing in my head.....

Ivy Green said...

Coreen,

"Braveheart" was pretty bad even though he wore a kilt. lol

Coreen said...

Ivy, I have very limited knowledge of meds...

I was surprised to read in that article about
Valium...& don't remember what the drug of the
day became after it fell into disfavor....

I do have a cousin with a son (40+) that lives on Zanax? prescribed by a state-paid psychiatrist...he eats them like candy & is zombie like or downright belligerent...no one wants to deal with him, he could be very intimidating so they pacify him by giving him drugs.....

Coreen said...

No way, Ivy, Mel Gibson's hair was longer than mine & that is an absolute no,no for me!

Coreen said...

Now Mel Gibson in the Lethal Weapon movies, just fine with me....

Carol said...

Missed Ratigan today Ivy. I got home too late.

Xanax took over where Valium left off but is far worse in it's addictive quality. It turns people into zombies but many into criminal zombies. They do very stupid things and don't care or remember doing them.

Carol said...

It's best to stay way, away from Xanax.

Solar said...

"go away kid you bother me" That was, and is my favorite quote.....I used it on my son when he was 3-4 years old; and tell all of the new kids now..they get a kick out of it...I say like W. C. Fields does....they all laugh..they never know that I mean it...my son is 43 and still sticking around......

Solar said...

have to go and catch up now.! but did read up to the ants post...Chloe ants are not boring..just the opposite...they teach us how to do many things...ever see the white powder on them, these are chemicals used for chemical warfare...another lost file somewhere..and will find it...but they have been studied thoroughly, and new information due on them.!

Carol said...

Ivy, my owl is inhabiting the owl hole in the owl tree. I saw one fly in there this evening. I beat there's some eggs up there. I'm gonna be a grandma again.

Carol said...

That's suppose to be "bet". Don't want to beat them.

Carol said...

Solar, lots of ants to watch outside around here. I sit an watch them sometimes but sometimes I spray them with ant spray. An ant here or there is OK but when the army comes marching in, I go to war.

Ivy Green said...

I don't have to go outside to find ants. They got into my dog treat bucket again. This time, instead of microwaving them, I put the bucket, ants and all, into the freezer. Ants fell to the bottom. I only needed to skim the treats off the top.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
We're all looking forward to the progress of the owls.

Carol said...

Are your ants sugar ants, Ivy? They are tiny little ants. They aren't those fire ants are they? Which reminds me I have put meat tenderizer on my grocery list. I always end up standing in some while weedeating.

Ivy Green said...

"As is typical of other owl species, barred owls rarely build their own nests. Instead they will frequently use hollow tree cavities: old hawk, squirrel, and crow nests, and on occasion man-made nesting structures. Eggs will hatch about late March into mid-April. Owlets will open their eyes at one week of age and leave the nest cavity at about 30 days of age, but are not fledged (able to fly) until seven to nine weeks of age. After they leave the nest cavity, the young will typically roost on a tree branch, which is oftentimes reached by climbing, until they can fly."

Barred Owls-Their typical call sounds just like Who cooks for you, who cooks for you all!

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
I'd say they are the so-called sugar ants...there must be something sweet in the dog treats. lol

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
I've never known fire ants to come inside.

Carol said...

Mine do things a little earlier than that. There is an old hole high up in a huge Cypress tree. That tree is hollow in most of the middle. The hole is at the end of a huge branch way up high in the tree. I think there is a wood duck or something else that also uses that nest area. I usually start seeing the babies in late March. They do come out and roost on the branch. First right outside the hole and then they keep getting a little farther away and then to other branches. I sometimes worry when they go to other branches that they won't be able to get back to their hole. I worry alot.

At this time I hear this little whimper like sound coming from the hole.

Carol said...

I was worried about having my light on outside but just read that the barred owl is often attracted to lights or camp fires because of the bugs that it attracts. There is a big light high in a tree a couple of camps down from me. I often see owls chasing the bugs over there.

Go to this site Ivy,
http://home.centurytel.net/bobowlcalls/Barred_Owl_calls.htm#one_note

then choose juvenile under, Barred Owl (Strix Varia). I'm already hearing that sound.

Carol said...

It's listed under begging calls. I wonder if I might already have babies up there????

Carol said...

I just went outside to listen again. It's a begging call. Maybe momma owl is begging daddy owl to bring her some supper.

Carol said...

On that same page you will see "Simultaneous Calling". Click on that one. I hear that all the time out here.

Carol said...

That's what I call an owl party.

Carol said...

I sent a check to C-Bob for Haiti back on Jan 21. It just got returned to me in the mail today saying I had the wrong address. Talk about snail mail. It seems it got a lot snailier.

Carol said...

Ivy, I'm watching my recording of that Ratigan show today. I forgot I have been recording it. It was hot today. Ratigan sure gets pissed off when people don't answer his guestions. He even cuts off their microphone when he's had enough of it.

Ivy Green said...

I just got off the phone with Miss College. She had sad and distressing news that one of her professors died suddenly. He had written letters of recommendation on her behalf and was directing her senior seminar. Besides dealing with the loss, she doesn't know what effect it will have on completion of her program. I'm confident the school will make it right for the students, but the loss is a big blow for them all. I am sad at the news, and sad for her too.

Chloe said...

That article on depression was just way too tedious for me, although I did quickly read/scan through it all. My philosophy about what to do about depression is much more simple. If something helps, whether it be 'just' therapy, therapy and medication, or 'just' medication, then how can that be a bad thing. If it doesn't help, then you shouldn't do it (or take it). I just don't believe anyone should suffer more than they need to, especially if they are unable to function. I consider to be depression t be a person who is depressed, regardless of circumstances. When someone is depressed for a specific reason, I think that usually does better with therapy.

I also don't think that someone who is depressed should be given anything addictive, like valium, Xanax, etc. If I'm not mistaken, Xanax is partly valium or one of the other benzodiazepines, and all addictive drugs are only appropriate to take for a short time. Every time I hear about someone dying from an accidental overdose, it seems to always involve multiple benzodiazines. The take 2 or 3 different version of the Valium like drug, not realizing that they all do the same thing, and end up over dosing on them.


Regarding another drug, I'd never link this over on TM, or I know I'd be in all kinds of trouble. It's not something I necessarily agree with, and there are so many variables in the test, that it probably doesn't mean much, but still:
Marijuana Use Linked to Psychosis
A new report suggests young adults more vulnerable to psychosis start smoking marijuana at a younger age, an event that could trigger a non-affective psychotic disorder, such as schizophrenia.

Carol said...

Everyone needs to watch Dylan every day but you better take a Xanax first. But then if you take a Xanax, you won't care anymore.

Ivy Green said...

When you've been out of school a few years, as I have (but really not THAT long), it's easy to forget how bonded students get with their students, especially the ones who mentor them.

Chloe said...

Ivy, I'm sorry to hear about your daughters professor. What a lot for her to have to deal with right now. Is she graduating in June?

It's so good that she called you first thing to discuss her feelings about all of this Ivy. I'm sure the school will work with the students, getting them through the necessary transitions of dealing with this. It's so hard to make sense of these things, especially for someone as young as your daughter.

Carol said...

How did you sneak in and post all that. I didn't even see you come in the room. Now I will go read it.

Chloe said...

"But then if you take a Xanax, you won't care anymore."

Ha Carol. Sometimes not caring can be the best we can hope for.

Ivy Green said...

Chloe,
Marijuana is not the harmless indulgence people think it is. And I was shocked at the "pothead culture" I saw emerging on the streets in Loveland, CO since they legalized medicinal pot. Those kids didn't look much like "sick patients" to me. Somebody's fooling themselves.

Carol said...

That is very sad Ivy. How old was the man? It should not affect her in that class. Someone will come in to complete the semester.

Chloe said...

Yep Ivy, you're right. A drug is a drug. It may have important uses, but you know that there will always be those that abuse it's purpose.

Carol said...

It would be nice Chloe if that not caring would not affect taking approprite action but it does with that type of drug. I have seen it destroy too many people.

There are thousands of stories I've heard since working in corrections. It can take a good, competent person and even turn them into a killer. they don't even understand how it happened. I'm not exaggerating.

Ivy Green said...

Thanks, Chloe. Actually, she's graduating in May, and it took her over a day to call. Kids these days don't call, they text, and it wasn't something to write in a text. She was trying to "deal with it," but truthfully I think the students have been consoling one another. But I do think it helped for her to call home. I am worried about how intense their regimen is, there is not really time to grieve. Spring break is not far off, thank goodness.

Carol said...

Out of all the prescription drugs I've seen abused, it is one of the worst. I think it should be taken off the market. Just too risky. There are probably some who can use it without a problem but too many who can't.

Carol said...

I had a close friend, who was a friend since childhood. Her Shrink gave her Xanax. Next thing I knew she was taking 30 a day. She turned into a monster. Haven't talked to her in 5 years now. Don't know where she is or what she is doing.

Carol said...

Isn't your daughter a Psych major Ivy?

Chloe said...

". It can take a good, competent person and even turn them into a killer. they don't even understand how it happened. I'm not exaggerating."

I know you're not exaggerating Carol. So many people die themselves from drugs, or suffer irreparable damage. It changes the way they think.

Carol said...

I have not seen marijuana associated with any serious criminal activity unless it is selling the stuff. My opinion is that if you are an unmotivated kind of person it may make you satisfied with being that way but if the person is motivated to begin with, I haven't seen it make them less that way.

Chloe said...

"I am worried about how intense their regimen is, there is not really time to grieve."

Maybe that's better for the time being Ivy. She'll work her way through this over a long period of time. If she's coming home for spring break, it'll give the two of you plenty of time to work through it together.
These kids are so much stronger than we realize.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
Yes, she's a Psych major.

Carol said...

I think I told you about the young basketball player I had one day who was in jail for killing someone by accident. He had a scholarship for a nice U in the state. Nice, clean cut looking kid. He got into using Xanax and ended up getting kicked out of college. He could have stayed out a short while and gone back but it took over his life. He ended up killing someone in a shoot out in a parking lot. His stray bullet killed some kid. He was very depressed about it all. Very sorry and he realized the drug just took over. Such a waste. That shouldn't have been his destiny.

Chloe said...

Like I heard someone in a movie jokingly say once: why would anyone smoke a drug that makes them eat more. I laughed, because it's so true. And a good enough reason for me to never want to smoke it. It can make you fat. I don't need any help enjoying eating. I do fine on my own.

Carol said...

It's probably better she is within the Psych community at her school. At least they are better prepared to deal with the emotions of this situation Ivy.

Chloe said...

"she's a Psych major"

Ivy, that is so cool! She is going to be so worldly, with a major like that, once she's done. She must have developed her interest in human behavior from her very enlightened mom Ivy. That's great.

Chloe said...

Carol, There are so many sad stories at that prison - I bet you drugs are involved in a lot of them too.

Chloe said...

See you guys tomorrow... hump day.

Carol said...

And it's also great she has a mom like you Ivy. You can be such a wonderful support for her. I loved my mom but she didn't have a supportive bone is her body. Didn't have a clue. If there was a worst thing to say in a situation, my mom would come up with it. If I was ever dealing with anything emotional, I never shared it with my mom.

Ivy Green said...

Carol,
I have a good idea of what you mean, Carol. That cigarette business with my mom was just the tip of the iceberg. But I had to learn to let her be, for both our sakes.

I try my best with Miss College. She has had quite a few "inspirational models" in our family that have influenced her direction...both good and bad. Even if she changes direction later (this generation is supposed to go through seven career changes in their lifetimes) this is a good foundation for her. She has a pretty high "EQ."

Ivy Green said...

I think I'll head off...been a lot to absorb today.

jan said...

Ivy, I too am so sorry to hear of your daughter's professor dying. The univ. should have a counseling service for students. Was he her advisor? Do you know if in her major she has an advisor?

Carol said...

Ivy, I'm sure it is not easy raising a kid, not that I can talk. Didn't hold anything against mom because I'm sure she was doing to best she knew how. Her mom wasn't even there for her. Abandoned her and her brothers for some man. That must have been traumatic. Mom used to remind of us about that often. Problem is that frequently, when mom left the house to go somewhere in the evening, when we were little, she said she wasn't coming back. It was her deep seeded anger toward her mother talking. But she did come back. I sweated that threat every time she left the house and said that. She didn't understand the fear she left us with. Fortunately she didn't go places that often.

Sometimes the way someone was raised is passed on to their kids. They can't break the cycle. Sometimes people are educated to understand that so they don't do it. I think I had more insight into mom's behavior than she ever did. I had a lot of resentment towards her mother. I don't know how mom could have had anything to do with her mother but she did. Thank goodness we didn't see the woman much. She lived in Michigan.

Carol said...

It's so crazy how much time is spent on these news shows talking about these politicians who are screwing around on their wives with some other women. They think that is so horrible but I think it is worse how many are screwing all of the rest of us.

That's one of the things I like about Ratigan. He calls them out, whether Republican or Democrat. Yesterday he called out several Democrats on how they sold out to the financial industry. It was in his coverage of those pay day loan businesses, the ones that charge over 600% annual interest on their loans. He named a couple of representatives from districts with many minorities, who are victims of those pay day loans. They ended up being bought off by those loan businesses.

What do ya'll think of Charlie Rangel? Seems it's time for him to go. Old Nancy almost seems like she is trying to protect him. Time to get rid of all the crooks.

Carol said...

This Swamp feels it's past time to clean out that swamp.

Coreen said...

It's snowing again, so far not sticking on the
roads or driveway...hoping this is it!!

Carol, Charlie Rangel will resign (or as being reported locally will take a leave) as chair
of the house ways & means (for now) but not
likely he would ever be voted out of office in
his Harlem, NY district...

Unfortunately, the dissatisfaction with the
dems I think is because those that thought they were 'better' than any repub. are
seeing first hand, how much they are really like the repubs...as Solar says there really is no difference, but that said, there is no
real chance that those in 'safe' seats will be
removed....Nancy P is a good example, she can not lose an election in San Fran...

I was very pleased when she became speaker, but
as time has unfolded, I cringe every time I hear her talk....for me, she is a disaster...& does nothing to elevate women's role in govt...

Chloe said...

I just thought of another movie quote I like: I don't get mad, I get even'.

Also, can't forget how widely used 'Wayne's World' made the expression: Not!

... OK, obviously not a lot going through my mind today.

Chloe said...

Carol, I cleaned my hummer feeder and put fresh nectar in it today. Hung it out early, hoping to catch the site of the first hummer of the season. If my hummers are like last year, the early ones will sneak in and leave without me seeing them. I'm not in that room full time yet, but will be spending a lot of time in it soon. I really love that room, and miss it, but still want to stay in the rooms with the most sun for a little while longer. It seems to me that rooms have personality. That could be why I like the kitchen a lot too. It feeds me.

Chloe said...

Another example of reverse psychology, I guess:

"Health campaigns aimed at keeping teens and others from drinking and driving, smoking and other risky behaviors often use shame and guilt to get their messages across.

But a new study finds anti-drinking ads can actually spur increased binge drinking for some audiences.

"The situation is worse than wasted money or effort," said study researcher Adam Duhachek, a marketing professor at Indiana University. "These ads ultimately may do more harm than good, because they have the potential to spur more of the behavior they're trying to prevent."

Duhachek's team showed that particularly for individuals already in an emotional state of guilt or shame, the ads could trigger a defensive mindset. The defense essentially allows them to underestimate how vulnerable they are to the consequences, thinking, "It only happens to other people." Anti-Drinking Ads Induce More Drinking in Some People

Solar said...

Renee, posted this over at tm...I think that it is a great article, even if it is long...I almost did not open it; b/c there was not much info about it, in her post....C-bob in one of late night preaching rants...said that it was cool to make long post...I like them, cos they either make me go to them or not interested enough to waste my time. He made several post together that ran for the length of any length of post that I, or XR or anyone else has done...kinda getting a little boring over there, trying to read his hippie talk....do understand most of it..

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com//features/2010/1003.lynn-longman.html

Solar said...

Hello Sally.! U there?

Solar said...

When t hat window does not open, click on Lynn-Longman..it takes U to her articles...the very first one it the one..titled,Who Broke America's Jobs Machine?

Carol said...

I heard on my Dylan Ratigan program that there was a big conference today called Make Markets be Markets. It starred some really big names with important things to say. One is my hero Elizabeth Warren.

I am finance challenged, really retarded on the subject. I've paid for it. You've paid for what has happened to our economy and we'll all continue to. We must try to understand this BS and make our crooked politicians do something before it is too late.

Roosevelt Conference Sets the House on Fire

Make Markets Be Markets

"Seeing such eminent figures gathered together on stage — one after the other pointing out how 18 months after the worst crisis since the Great Depression we are more vulnerable than ever – it would be IMPOSSIBLE to dismiss what they say"

"They have given the public, and the Obama Administration, a comprehensive plan to fix what’s broken. No one can ever say “We didn’t know.”

Chloe said...

Solar, Sorry I missed you earlier. I'm glad you brought over Renee's link from TM - you're right, it's a good one.

I'm quoting the following from that article. The reason is that I've been noticing that at WM for a while, the brands they offer are getting more and more limited, and I resent it - I've been complaining for a while now. I am also surprised at the startling numbers that the article refers to: For one, that WM sells about 40% of all DVD's sold nationwide, and as high as 25% of the groceries sold, in some states.

"..... most Americans still believe that our economy remains the most wide open, competitive, and vibrant market system the world has ever seen. Unfortunately, the stories we have told ourselves about competition in America over the past quarter century are simply no longer true.

Perhaps the easiest way to understand this is to take a quick walk around a typical grocery or big-box store, and look more closely at what has taken place in these citadels of consumer choice in the generation since we stopped enforcing our antitrust laws.

The first proof is found in the store itself. If you are stocking up on basic goods, there’s a good chance you are wandering the aisles of a Wal-Mart. After all, the company is legendarily dominant in retail, controlling, for instance, 25 percent of groceries sales in some states and 40 percent of DVD sales nationwide.

But at least the plethora of different brands vying for your attention on the store shelves suggests a healthy, competitive marketplace, right? Well, let’s take a closer look.

In the health aisle, the vast array of toothpaste options on display is mostly the work of two companies: Colgate-Palmolive and Procter & Gamble, which split nearly 70 percent of the U.S. market and control even such seemingly independent brands as Tom’s of Maine. And in many stores the competition between most brands is mostly choreographed anyway. Under a system known as "category management," retailers like Wal-Mart and their largest suppliers openly cooperate in determining everything from price to product placement." http://www.washingtonmonthly.com//features/2010/1003.lynn-longman.html

Chloe said...

Oh Carol, I was so busy tapping away, I didn't realize you were home.

I know that last quote was obscenely long, but I feel like this is so important, that I'm quoting another packed full paragraph:

"But as we’ve seen, the great burst of business activity in the 1980s and ’90s was to a significant extent the result of actions taken by the federal government during previous decades of anti-trust enforcement. Indeed, many of the companies we most associate with the ’90s tech boom—Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, Genentech—were actually founded in the 1970s, went public in the ’80s, and eventually grew big enough to force establishment behemoths like IBM to revolutionize their management philosophies and business models in order to compete. It is this dynamic—of radically innovative start-ups growing in size and eventually challenging the status quo—that drives most jobs creation. And it was precisely this dynamic that the pro-consolidation policies launched in the Reagan years would eventually upset. By the time the 2000s rolled around, industry after industry had been consolidated; the "innovation by acquisition" trend was in high gear; antitrust enforcement was reaching a new low in George W. Bush’s administration; and a plethora of global capital, unable to find enough attractive growing companies to invest in, started flowing into subprime mortgages and other financial exotica. The rest, as they say, is history."

... this is the best article I've ever seen at explaining in easy to read and understand wording how it is we've gotten to rough spot we're in at this point.

jan said...

"Sometimes the way someone was raised is passed on to their kids. They can't break the cycle"

Carol, so very true. My mother was also very "wounded" in her childhood. Her dad died in the 1918 flu epidemic when she was 2. Her mother remarried a horrible man who raped her and then my mother was sent to live with her mother's sister when she was 12. My mother also would threaten to leave us when she was unhappy and like you, I was always afraid she would go away. I was her "therapist" when I was 10-15 years old. I used to dream that the things that happened to her - happened to me. I finally was able deal with all this when I had some therapy myself years ago.

I didn't realize all these things happened to your mother. I am so sorry. She was a beautiful woman. We never see all the pain someone is experiencing or has experienced.

jan said...

I am off to a quilting class to learn how to make a t-shirt quilt. John has a bunch of t-shirts he does not wear any more. This will be a good use of them.

Carol said...

Evening. Good article Solar, Chloe. Not sure I still understand it all cuz, like I said, I'm a little challenged in that area. Even when I read a lot of that stuff it goes in one eye and out the other and barely touches anything in between.

Jan, almost sounds like our moms were raised in the same family.

That t-shirt quilt sounds really cool. I recently threw away tons of t-shirts, probably enough for many quilts. Seems like a teenager would go nuts for something like that.

Carol said...

Is this a quilt you will use the sewing machine to make or will you have to hand sew it?

Solar said...

Chloe,

I have known that for a while now...but did not know to what extent...last year when I said some of these thing..they sounded like some kind of conspiracy to people at tm..don't blame them, and I have also said how the big banks will control the whole world..about 25 of them....

The only way that this can be stopped is for people to write clear article about it...but how do you get the people to read about them. We have dumb down the public so much..that they only want to get thier news from the late night shows..colbert and the whole bunch...like I said Bill Maher, it think is a good one..cos hes actually talks about the issues..he went way overboard kissing O' ass; and vilifying Hillary..but he is still a good source..

Over at tm,,, just like almost all of the blogs..they talk mostly about the box scores..like a baseball game...who is up and who is down..defend ones team no matter what...i did make a cpl of converts to the independents tho..the problem is getting the people to not be so ignorant of things..that is how the two party's got us to this place...like I said...it is our own faults....

jan said...

Carol,
thank goodness, the t-shirt quilt is made on a machine. am going to make John one first and then I hope to make the grandkids some. This may be a lifelong task for me, but I think they will be fun to do. Too bad you threw out your t-shirts - I would have made you one.

jan said...

It is a pain to have to declare I am going to retire and still have to work 4-5 more months. I am a lame duck in my department, I feel kind of invisible at work now. I want to leave now but I have to get all my "ducks" in a row before I go in order to do the retirement thing. I just realized that the word "duck" is here twice.

good night.

Carol said...

Jan, I don't know how you do everything you do. Work, sew, read, family. Each of those seem like they could take up a good bit of your day. You can fit a lot more into your day than I can but I'm slowing down considerably. I guess I spend too much time on this thing. But it's not like when I'm on this thing, I'm not doing anything else. I'm usually eating and watching TV and jumping up and down to get something to eat, and sometimes, playing spider solitaire, and....

I'm not very disciplined anymore and with no one around watching, it's more difficult to make me get stuff done. If I could afford to quit working, I'd be afraid I would become totally useless. And then I couldn't afford to pay the guys next door to do stuff either.

I don't think I imagined I'd still be working at my age but I quess many people are and have to. But if I had your hobbies, kids and grandkids, and your John, I'd have plenty to keep me occupied and entertained.

Carol said...

Solar, I ran into the name of this guy that did a lot of esp/remote viewing research with the CIA years back. He was on one of the Coast to Coast programs. I tried to listen to him last night but I fell asleep again, just when it got interesting. The guy's name is Russell Targ and he has several books out and several videos on the Web. If you have not heard him speak before, you might find him interesting also. I even tried to listen to one of his videos and fell asleep. Don't hold that again't him because usually the more interesting something is, the faster I fall asleep.

Here is a site with several of his videos:

http://www.espresearch.com/

Chloe, you might find it interesting also.

Carol said...

Before I fell asleep that guy was talking about being able to use his esp to make money, gambling and stock market. I need to try to stay awake to hear him. Maybe then I can afford to retire.

I didn't hear anyone, except Ratigan, mention that big economny conference yesterday. Did anyone else hear anything about it on the news. I did hear them mention, over and over, Sarah Palin's stand up comedy routine. I guess they do cover the really important stuff.

Carol said...

Jan, do you get SS? I think it stinks that they won't let us collect from both SS and Teacher's retirement. Both of those will be skimpy for me and I can't even get both. I put a lot of money into SS before, during and after contributing to Teacher's retirement but will have to give up a dollar of SS for every dollar of Teacher's retirement I get. That is not fair.

With all I'm putting into SS, it's really not going to be fair that there will probably be nothing left to get anyway. Those crooks in our government have spent it already.

Carol said...

Chloe, I'm still waiting for our warm up. I thought it was supposed to be sooo much warmer. Even though the sun is shining it's still been in the 30s when I leave from work and a little toooo cool in the afternoon when I get home. I think by this weekend it might be a little more comfortable.

jan said...

Carol, In order to collect full SS you do have to be a certain age. My retirement will not affect my SS benefits.

Chloe said...

"....the problem is getting the people to not be so ignorant of things..that is how the two party's got us to this place...like I said...it is our own faults...."

I don't know Solar. Being aware of what's causing the problem doesn't necessarily make it possible to come up with any kind of quick fix. I actually think of our political representatives as not being much different than the Mafia was. They're strong arming us, taking our money, and turning everything into some kind of benefit to themselves, instead of working toward the welfare of the 'majority' of the people.

Even if there were 'no political parties' though, I think 'the Mafia' would still figure a way to keep things going as badly (and corruptedly) as they are now. It's not that they don't want to improve the economy, they just want to improve their own 'personal' economy more.

That said, I do understand your point of view too. I know how hard you work to help others see the light, and how annoyed you get at others for not being able to see what you see so clearly. I do remember that you converted some people over to being independents, but still, the majority of people want to belong to some group (any group?) - why, I don't know.

Chloe said...

Carol, Don't give up, the warm weather is almost here.

I don't know what happened in La. yesterday and this morning, because it was about 14 colder there than Houston (that the first time I've seen a wide variance between the two). At least my Yahoo showed you at 34 and Houston at 48 (although here we were 41, being north of Houston).

Not to worry though, it'll be approximately 67/42 for you all weekend (and supposedly 71 here on Monday). Hang in there, the next thing you know we'll be complaining about the heat.

Chloe said...

http://ct-carolssouthernspice.blogspot.com/2010/03/movie-misquotes.html?showComment=1267702677523#c271486978837266591

Jan, I agree with Carol. I don't know how you do everything you do either - you must be a great multi-tasker. It probably helps that you keep yourself so healthy too (eating well, walking to work, etc.) It's mostly about your sharp mind though, I'm sure.

Carol, regarding what you said about people having to work at your age, I think most are, and want to be. You're lucky to have a career you enjoy and are good at - especially lucky to work so close to home. I don't know how you do all the things you do either. You're also lucky to have those guys that you can trust to hire to do some of the things they do for you around your houses.

I don't know why I keep saying 'lucky' because I don't actually believe in it that much. I think you've arranged your life to work just the way it does, and me calling it 'lucky' is just a way of saying you've done a good job planning, and that you have a lot to be grateful for - Because - of the choices you've made, and because of the way you've made things turn out. I honestly think your life is every bit as special, just the way it is, as it would have been if you'd done it differently. Kids and grand kids are great, but no more so than the life you've chosen. No better, just different.

I know you've said you believe in destiny (at least I'm pretty sure you've said that), and I do too. But, as you know, I think we've created our own destiny (and always have the 'ability' to change it, although we rarely have the desire.) ... as always, just my opinion. Ha! The world according to Chloe.

"It is a pain to have to declare I am going to retire and still have to work 4-5 more months."

Jan, If you consider the big picture, this is nothing more than a glitch, an inconvenience that you need to work through in order to get the result you want. You'll be retired before you know it. And I just 'know' how happy you're going to be to have all that freedom. The best is yet to come Jan!

Chloe said...

Carol, 'I think' what I'm 'trying' to say is that self doubt sometimes causes us to think that we've made the wrong choices, but that the secret to contentment is to accept that we're either right in the place where we belong, or else we're on our way to the right place - and that requires a little faith - and I guess that is what gratitude really is.

Don't forget that expression, 'the grass is always greener on the other side'. It's an illusion though.

Chloe said...

Ivy, I hope you stop by today and let us know how you (and your daughter) are doing. I figure you're just as upset about her problems at school, as she is - or maybe even more upset. Being a mom ain't easy.

Chloe said...

... sorry about shooting off my mouth so much this morning.

Thanks Coreen for giving us these great posts, so we have the opportunity to do just that, when we want to. :)

Carol said...

Nope, no green grass on either side here Chloe but the weeds look real healthy.

Ivy Green said...

Chloe,
Thanks for your kind words. I couldn't decide whether to post this evening or not...the news got even worse today when Miss College called to share more bad news...a second professor in her department passed away today, another one of her teachers. It is just too sad for her to get her mind around. Ironically, today was the day to pick up caps and gowns for graduation, and it was all just too "horrible" (her word). There wasn't much solace I could give her. Except to say that even when loss seems never-ending, somehow life continues.

There is a quote I picked up from Geraldine Brooks' book, "Year of Wonders..."
"Life is not nothing even to the grieving."

jan said...

Ivy, I too want to express my condolences on the deaths of your daughter's teachers. I know she will take comfort from your wise words and the love of her family. I remember when I was in my last year of college, two of my favorite teachers died - both of breast cancer. Although I was a few years older than your daughter, I felt very sad for my own loss of both these mentors. It really brought home to me how fragile life can be.

jan said...

Boy, do you guys have me all wrong. I don't think I get much done. Chloe, you have full care of an small child. I don't know how you manage to do anything else.

Carol, you always were head and shoulders above me in energy. I feel like a slug most of the time. You have a job that sounds almost impossible and then you take call at home.

I never have parties like you do. When you were planning your party at Christmas - you were so organized and got all your food planned and cooked ahead of time. I was sitting here thinking, Oh my God - how does she do this. I think we each pull up the energy to do what we love. You love to fish and work on your camp and have wonderful dinners and parties for family and friends. That wears me out just thinking about it.

You are so right about one thing, as we get older we really can't do what we once were able to do. that is so true of me. I used to love planning my lectures or students clinical experiences. Now I try to find something I have done before so I don't have to work so hard. This is how I know it is time to retire.

Carol said...

Ivy, what did these teachers die of? That is strange that two of her teachers in that department died so close together. Were they both sudden deaths?

I'm glad I didn't have to provide solace. My response would have probably been...yikes! Remember my mom wasn't a very good role model.

jan said...

Thanks Chloe for your very kind words earlier when I talked about how it feels at work right now. You have so much wisdom about these things.
"self doubt sometimes causes us to think that we've made the wrong choices, but that the secret to contentment is to accept that we're either right in the place where we belong, or else we're on our way to the right place"

Wow! Chloe, This is such a good example of your great wisdom about our human nature.

Carol said...

or my response might have been..."don't drink the water there!"

jan said...

One of the lovely things about going to these quilting classes is that I can be in the company of other women who enjoy the same thing I enjoy (quilting). When I was younger I did not appreciate women. Now I just love sharing stories with other women about quilting or whatever topic comes up - usually its something about family.

Sorry Solar, I would enjoy the company of men too if they liked to quilt. Actually our teacher last night is a man who is a retired chemistry teacher. He makes quilts. Isn't that a gas? And he was just like one of the "girls" last night. He showed us all the t-shirt quilts he has made. By the way, his wife quilts too. He took up this hobby after retardment.

Carol said...

Jan, how long will it take you to make a t-shirt quilt?

Carol said...

Just saw online where someone makes those t-shirt quilts for people. They send their t-shirts and they make them. They charge by how many squates are included. Just thinking of another business opportunity for you. Like you needed anything else to do.

Carol said...

Tonight on CNBC "Tom Brokaw chronicles the impact of the baby boomer generation on American Society", at 8p central. Anyone interested in what you did?

Carol said...

Solar, that guy Russell Targ has written several books. One look particularly interesting, "Limitless Mind". I think I'm going to order that one.

Check it out. I want to learn some of his techniques. He aquired his ESP ability by studying those with it.

Limitless Mind

"Russell Targ shows us in these pages that timeless existence is real and has been experienced for centuries by those practicing meditation and remote viewing. Best of all, he gives us the tools to experience it for ourselves."

On that link I left this morning, listen to the third video they link listed as CMN interviews. You won't be disappointed.

Carol said...

"“Nothing is happening except to the extent that we give it meaning”"

Chloe said...

"Anyone interested in what you did?"

MG Carol, I'm afraid to know. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments over at TM today, and someone else was putting down the baby boomer generation again. Jax used to make it pretty well known that he hated our generation, and thought we were the cause of most of the present day problems. I couldn't even believe the hate he felt toward us.

Carol said...

Chloe, look at the quote I left above. Could use it in response to that information.

Carol said...

You would enjoy that video also. Check it out. Could be a lot to discuss.

Carol said...

That guy is really fascinating. Looks weird but sounds fascinating.

Carol said...

He has a ESP trainer for the Iphone.

Chloe said...

Jan, Thank you so much for the nice things you're always saying to me. I feel so undeserving, but still, I appreciate them so much. All I'm doing is thinking out loud, and I sure don't think I'm passing on any great wisdom. I learn so much from each and every one of you.

It has been such a delight getting to know you Jan, and I feel so fortunate to be involved here.

Chloe said...

You mean limitless mind? I am going to go to it - I'm glad you reminded me. I meant to when I was here earlier, but spent too much time talking, and had to leave. I'm going to go check it out now.

Chloe said...

"“Nothing is happening except to the extent that we give it meaning”"

When I read what you just wrote, I know beyond a doubt that - that is true Carol. But I have to constantly be reminded, and I still forget.

Carol said...

Listen to the third video on that page I linked earlier this morning. You will enjoy it! Lot to discuss there.

I just downloaded his ESP trainer. It's a free app. Won't be long before I will be reading all ya'lls minds. Watch out Solar. Think clean or just a little dirty.

Carol said...

I think it was synchronicity that I ran into this guy!

Chloe said...

Carol, I'm going to the videos now, but I looked around while I was at your Amazon link (or, at least your link took me to Amazon). I can download his book on my Kindle (which I'm going to do tomorrow), but I was hoping to find that he had it on Audiobook. I used to be really into those things about 15-20 years ago, and I love them because you can play them while you're driving, and listen to them over and over. His stuff isn't on audio yet though.

I think you're right, it is synchronicity (thank goodness Ivy introduced us to that concept).

It just feels 'so' right that you're bringing this up right now. I go into these stages every so many years where I really get into learning about something new. And when I do it, I'm very thorough, and give it everything I've got for a while. This just feels right.

Carol said...

I just ordered two of his books, Limitless Mind and End of Suffering.

Carol said...

Hope to attain both!

Chloe said...

Carol, The only videos I see on that site you linked earlier are interviews with him. Is that what you're talking about?

Carol said...

You could start reading his books in under a minute on your Kindle. I have to wait for the mail.

Chloe said...

You'll get them pretty fast too. I'm sure there's more information we can find about him online too.

jan said...

Doesn't anyone watch Idol this season. Maybe you are just waiting until the final 12 or 10 or 5.

Ivy, I talked to a woman today who combines her loves of photography and birding. She said she saw an eagle fly over her house today and she has been seeing cranes too. I thought of you.

jan said...

Carol, I just listened to the Russel Targ segment. Very interesting. I think I will get his book. He makes so much sense. I have been hearing this same message here in NM.

Carol said...

You know the boomers were into communes early in our era and many of us may have to end up going back to it to survive. Too many of us. We may have to pool our resources to live. Not such a bad idea.

Carol said...

As long as that commune is not a nursing home.

Carol said...

Some Toyota owners say that the new fix didn't work. Isn't that what is wrong with just about everything. They rush fixes that don't fix anything.

Carol said...

TGIF. Have a good F.

jan said...

Carol, I am intrigued by so much Russell Targ says in that interview you linked. With retirement coming soon - I have also noted through the years how many people (men in particular) die within 2-3 years after retirement. This really ties in with my feelings of how I am seen (or not seen) at my place of work now that everyone knows I am leaving in 3 months. I feel like a ghost at work. What I learned from Russell Targ is that I am not merely who I am on my business card.

I also like what he says about "we are not just who we see in the mirror" because that too will change. This is often I believe how women begin to lose a sense of who we are as we age - we sometimes feel we are only who we see in the mirror - especially while young. Often, I pass a mirror and am surprised at who I see. If I don't look in a mirror, I sense I look like I did when I was about 30 or 40.

The other things he said that intrigue me are related to how we are "conditioned" by parents, teacheres, society to look at and live in the world in specific ways and are always making judgments and labeling everything- what I get from this is that this conditioning prevents us from being flexible and open in the world - and that we close ourselves off to many experiences that limit our ability to be loving and joyful.

jan said...

One of Targ's points about expanding our universe is to be in "communities" in which we can explore who we truly are in a safe place. I think The Swamp is one of those communities.

jan said...

I am off to explore my universe.

Solar said...

Caorl

I agree with what Jan has been saying about Targs I will go a read those links that U left for me. These are the things that I have been talking about for some time now...the synergy of all things is going to be his main point...I think.!

Going to be hot around here..going up to 50- 55 or so...life's time circle has just move into spring a little more.....

Solar said...

oops Carol, Oh Carol, Im but a fool Dariling I love U even tho sometimes U are so cruel, and a .....le hahaha

Jan, that mirror is the secrete to the meaning of life imo.!! No many look into it and realize that they have won the billion $ lottery....when we were born, and came from this world..like leaves from a tree.....we won the lottery....the genes of the past survivors are good uns.......going to be in and out...a few things to do...lots of things just popped up, some work related, some not...

jan said...

Solara, Can you say more about "the mirror is the secret to the meaning of life"

Chloe said...

Jan, I just love your attitude today! I haven't had a minute today to go view those videos, but will look again to see if I can find them. (.. are you guys talking about the ones that are interviews of him?)

"...we are "conditioned" by parents, teachers, society to look at and live in the world in specific ways and are always making judgments and labeling everything- "

That's the mistake we make that causes us to have so many (not only) misconceptions, which create limitations - we really have been 'voluntarily' and 'unmeaningly' brain washed!

Jan, that quote that Carol posted last night: “Nothing is happening except to the extent that we give it meaning” says it all, I think.

Coreen said...

Nice, leave you alone for awhile & what happens....remote viewing, esp, uri geller...

About that esp trainer....always go with the
color blue...

And when you master the esp thing Carol, we are all off to Vegas to secure our retirements....

I really do like Coast2Coast....and Targ is
most believable in presenting his case for these psychic abilities, but....

Carol said...

Coreen, see what you get when you run off instead of sticking around to keep us in the here and now. We take off into the wild blue yonder...

Yes, I need to replace some of my retirement funds and I'm willing to do anything legal but not too risky either. I'm not a big risk taker. Been there, done that, once and that was enough.

How do you know about that ESP trainer and that blue is involved??? Have one? Did you hear him on Coast2Coast and if you did I need more info in how he used his abilities with gambling? I, unfortunately fell asleep listening to the program. I had my earphones on so my subconscious heard it but won't give up what it knows.

Chloe, here is my lazy link to Targ's video. Don't make me work too hard, it was a long week.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rtarg.htm

There's a lot of meat to chew on in that 30+ minute interview, or seafood, if we consider Coreen's preferences. She may or may not want to float up into the wild blue with us. She did say that she liked Coast2Coast so that's a hint that she might not be as firmly planted in the ground as she may want us to believe.

Carol said...

Yes Jan, not just with men but there are women whose identities are totally based on what they do in their careers.

When I was going thru the worst crisis in my life, that identity thing was really driven home to me. I was watching mom die and at the same time I had the State Board on my ass just because I worked for that old codger Doc who let his office manager/hussy alter his better judgement.

I knew mom was on her way out and there was nothing I could do to stop it. I wasn't sure how the State Board thing was going to turn out even though I couldn't see how it could take me down. I wasn't totally sure though because it was such a crazy time and I wasn't thinking that rationally. It was already crazy that something they thought my boss did was causing me so much grief. They don't give you any hints on what they think you might have done and I wasn't sure what Doc's OM may have done to involve me in something. She was pure evil. I even warned him of that.

My role as daughter and nurse WERE the only identities I had. My life was totally dedicated to taking care of my mom, she saw to that, and my career. Both were being threatened at the same time. I was going to lose the daughter identity but if I would have lost the nurse identity, I wouldn't have had any identity left.

My older sister, trying to comfort me at that time said, "Carol, you're more than your career". I said no I'm not. I'm not a wife or a mother or a grandmother. All I am is a "nurse" and the different roles it provides for me.

Carol said...

And because I didn't have any of those other identities I felt like I had to work a little harder, do a little better with the one identity that I did have.