I'ts so easy to hate others, and so easy to go to war with the ones that you hate....but do we really hate them?? or are we doing what our religion tell us to do...conquer the other false religions?
On 9/11. I asked my family that are mainly Catholic if I could share something that I thought was truly hateful: not that the bombing of the twin towers wasn't a hateful act...but I believe that they were doing what they ( these particular individuals) were taught to do, nothing more and nothing less, by the people on power. Not for hate but for greed.
When you truly hate someone or something: This hatred can not be satisfied by sending others to do it..it can only be quenches when you can take part in this hatred.!
I told them, asked them if the following was the same, more , or not at all.
There was a true story, and a movie called the "White Dog"
It started with a great looking grandfather playing with his little granddaughter in the yard. She was asking him all of the questions, that little girls will ask....the way that he talked, held, and answered every question with patience was the perfect picture......they had a little white German Sheppard puppy that they were playing with also....
They were in the front yard of a very large mansion, when one of his workers answered the voice at the front gate. He went to the grandfather and told him that everything was ready. The G. F. took his little G. D. by the hand and walked outside of the property. On the out side there was one of his workers pointing to an old blk man, that was sitting on the ground, leaning against the brick wall-that very high, and thick.
This older blk man was a wino, and alcoholic, and was homeless. He was asked if he wanted some money to get wine, or whatever he wanted...he said “yes”. The little girl was asked to bring the whit puppy around and let the wino see it. What he had to do to earn his money was to beat that puppy until it bled...right in front of the little girl.
This went on for at least three years....the little girl seeing a blk man beating the white dog, and the dog hating the smell of a blk man. When this dog was 165 lbs they let it loose in a blk neighborhood, and he was furious, and chased a blk man right into a church, where they showed him killing this man in the pew.
I told-asked my family that this was real hatred, this was real terror, even more so, or as evil as what they did on 9/11....I was told by my brother the Decon....that this was absurd.......a few weeks later he called me, and said that he could not get that story out of his mind...that I was right....I don't want to be right...I want things to be understood...thats what drives me....in all things
Now I have told everyone that I know, that if you really want to make someone happy.....make your self happy first....not in a selfish way, but happy in the way that will make you grow as a person.....if that other person truly loves you, that will make them happy...no?
78 comments:
Sorry for all of the Mistakes. I am going nuts. with two phones and e-mails that I have to keep answering...
Jeez, couldn't you have edited that- before you posted it?
I can't even hardly understand what the hell your are talking about...and I know what U are thinking all of the time.....putz
Putz.! who you calling putz?....fleahead...If if wasn't for me and ignoring u most of the time..you would just be another putz....
That was wonderful Solar. If you want to edit things after you have posted go back to New Post. When that comes up then go to edit posts. Hit that and all the previous posts should come up. Then hit the one you want to edit. Look and see if you have that option. You can change things there if you want to but it is not necessary.
Fleahead, look who's talking...or rather who's pretending to talk. I pull all the string around here...you just mouth them...so pay a little more attention to your grammar, and your spelling...putz!
Carol, don't bother me. when Im yelling at myself.
Hey you...fleahead....go back into the dark , and let me do things my way....see you later.....
Ok Carol, Im done....I din't think that anyone was going to be around....so I was telling my other selves off a little...
Hey Solar I try to edit mine many times then I just say, screw it. It's difficult to see the errors cuz you know what you are thinking and want to write but the fingers aren't always cooperating.
Great ponder. And yes, why can't we all get along? Hate is so much more time consuming and energy consuming than love. Like it takes more muscles to frown than to smile.
One problem is that we can't appreciate other people's differences. That turn the other cheek thing can work at times. But no one wants to look weak.
And Bubba, you need to start by being a little more tolerant of yourself. You are your own best friend.
Solar, Just go ahead a tell those guys to shut up and keep their opinions to themselves. Let them know you've got things under control, and that if you want their opinion, you'll let the know.
I think your post was 'perfect'.
Yes, I get mad at me sometimes cos I think that there is more than one think that comes to mind...and it can get confusing, who is doing the talking...my introvert self, of the extrovert nut case....I have a little bit of both.
Not so much as turn the other cheek. To me it is all about not understanding others, ....and the influence that we have on the young....we brain wash them...no?
Solar, I think the story you told of the dog was an excellent example of hate and terrorism toward a group of people.I lived in Argentina when I was in the 1960's.Although there were signs in Buenos Aires then that said "Yankee go home" and other things like that, on an individual level, the Argentine people treated us with kindness. I have seen how hateful people from the U.S. can be to people in another country. I think it is no wonder that some people in other countries dislike us.
Hello, Sally-
Did you like the show?
Solar, no need to fret over grammar and stuff like that. It is the telling of the story that is most important and you did that so beautifully.
Carol, Has one thing right: It takes a lot of effort to hate. Just like it takes a lot of effort to be lazy on a job...I sometimes see a worker that wants to hide from his work...I let him...and describe to him..his very laborous (huh?) motions that he made in order to avoid his real work...so I dock him some pay..and he feels guilt...I give him the docked pay back,....he appreciates this...talks about what he did...his own guilt...makes him a better worker, and a better person to himself.....That makes me feel very satisfied....
Hell yeah, I liked the show.
One thing you can always be sure of Solar, I like all those little guys running around in your head. Except the ones that aren't nice to you. Tell them they can take a hike.
JW, Thanks.
Solar, That movie was downright scary. That kind of cruelty, evil.... well, I have no place in my mind to store it. I'm not sure where to put it. I try to avoid even thinking about anything so repulsive as that Dick Cheney type character.
I now know what drives you: "I want things to be understood." It's an honorable goal, a worthy goal. Just remember, you can only make others understand 'your' point of view.
But, then there's my theory. There are two sides to every story. My way and the wrong way.
I think we all have those people running around in our heads critcizing what we do. The insecure ones, the guilty ones, the sad ones, the happy ones, the ones that don't want to clean out the truck......
Chole,
Thats what go me going last night. I knew damn well that I would catch Jamie on the other end...but I just wanted them to stop talking about that stupid "lie" remark: It's been almost non stop....on 9/11 there is a lot to talk about... I almost peed myself..when Champ said " Oh shit Solar, this is going to be interesting... I felt in the mood for a little ass kicking...did not matter if it was mine...
I do think I remember the night I came on with that, are you ready to rumble stuff. I got my ass kicked all week. My ass is still sore.
No Chloe, you don't give yourself enough credit. You are always willing to listen to the other side and try to understand.
You may only be intolerant to intolerance.
Solar,
I felt the same way Thursday. I was going to say whatever I felt like saying, and was thinking, 'bring it on'. I was literally 'looking' for a fight.
Jan, Have you looked in on Trail Mix, that we are talking about. You might enjoy 'lurking' over there for a while (which is what they call looking in, until you're ready to comment).
OH, and Solar, I forgot to mention, I agree with you that some people brain wash the young. Carol and I had a conversation here about that a while back.
Chloe,
I wanted to fit that in, cos I wanted U to know what drives me when I post about religion, and science and all...I know that when people have made up their minds it is most difficult to change them.....but like I said..I have done it to some...and they have a much better time living in the real world now...that makes it worth it for me....
Carol, all of those little talking heads-in our head, are, and have been necessary for the survival of the species...without them..we could not have had the sense to avoid harm to our interior, and exterior selves...
"You may only be intolerant to intolerance."
... good way to put it, Carol.
As I think I have mentioned on the Trail, I don't always know how I feel about an issue until I am challenged. A challenge can help me evaluate whether or not I'm really committed to an idea or issue. If I can't explain it or give a good reason why I support it then I really don't understand it or am not committed to it.
I remember how full of loathing I was as a young person..self loathing at times...hate is usually self directed..and can get in the way of you personal growth...
"You are always willing to listen to the other side and try to understand."
Thanks Carol, it's nice to hear that. Let's just say, I try. I can be quite stubborn, though.
I doesn't show Chloe.
".hate is usually self directed..and can get in the way of you personal growth..."
Man, you said a mouth full there Solar. Right on the mark.
There's no doubt in my mind, we get our self image at a very young age, by the way our parents or care givers treat us.
The reason I have Emma so much, is because her mother works a lot of hours, and then on weekends, she seems to have other priorities. But I can tell you, no human being alive could ever be better to Emma than I am. It all comes from love. I'm a much better grandmother than I was mother, imo.
Get Tony over here.!!!! Carol e-mail him..tell him that I have a dillo for him.....you tell him, not me...so don't even go there..
"I don't always know how I feel about an issue until I am challenged"
Carol, Remember a while back that I said that until I start typing a post, I don't know exactly what I'm going to say. I often surprise myself, because I don't know how it's going to end, until I get there.
That's why journals are such good therapy, and self revealing.
There are a lot of us carrying our parents tapes around with us, telling us what is not good enough about us. It's really difficult to fight those tapes. We need to try to erase them but I don't know how.
I hear the tape I got often as a kid ....Carol, you are a slob, and will be nothing but a slob. I try, but I do have some slob tendencies. My truck for one.
Great idea. You might have to give Carol his email address Solar.
Maybe we should both email him Carol. I would 'love' to have Tony here. Don't know why I didn't think of it first.
I don't have Tony's email Solar. Do you Chloe?
"I do have some slob tendencies."
Ok, I usually don't say this, but ROFLMAO when I read that. Carol, as Tony would say, 'you so funny'.
On the other end of the spectrum, mom told me that I would be a nurse. That worked out pretty well.
I wish parents would realize just how important what they tell their children is.
There have even been studies that what was said in the delivery room about a new born baby had significant influence.
tbassham@cfl.rr.com
That's his email address Carol. Maybe I'll also invite him, and do it from Facebook. That way, others may see it and want to take a look.
Jan, Are you on Facebook. If so, I'd like to add you to my friends, if you don't mind.
"I wish parents would realize just how important what they tell their children is. "
I think people understand that more today, than they did back then. At least 'some' people.
"I often surprise myself, because I don't know how it's going to end, until I get there."
Thats because your other self is protecting you..and is editing...sorta...I have to Finnish reading " joy sorrow and the feeling brain--looking for Spinoza" and understand it this time....seems latley that I can't concentrate on it...
Have you figured out how to link to this swamp....?
It is not linking to the Swamp that is the problem, it is linking from it that is. Actually you can add a hyperlink from the New Post if you go into the edit mode and hit that hyperlink symbol. Putting a link on comments does not light up so you have to cut and paste to use it.
I haven't found out how to link here yet. But if you just copy and paste the url address, we all know to copy and paste it again to get to the link. So that works.
If my other self is protecting me, she is doing a poor a*s job, I can tell you that. I'm going to fire her.
I wrote on Tony's wall and invited him. But he still needs a personal invite from you Carol, so it'll be more meaningful.
I'll do it.
I did it.
Believe me Chloe, everything you do has meaning.
Ya know we are talking about conflict and greed and my hummers out there are fighting over the juice. There is plenty for everyone but nooo they spend so much time running the other hummers off that no one gets to eat. So I guess other species aren't any better than we are. But I guess we could expect that, as humans, we would behave better.
Carol, I typed Lunch when I left, but forgot to submit it.
I agree, that everything has meaning usually, Carol. But I told you I make a lot of mistakes. And there's no common thread between those mistakes, except carelessness. The only meaning there is I'm in too big of a hurry, and don't want to take the time to be careful, and pay attention to what I'm doing. I think for me, it's sort of a gamble, or at least a game.
Conflict is my favorite subject Carol. Both in the way your talking about it, and all the conflicts we have within our own thinking systems, each and everyone of us.
As fare as humans supposedly (inherently) behaving better, keep in mind we 'are' animals. Well behaved animals, usually, but animals all the same.
I hear those bird fights outside, dog disagreements, cat fights, human neighbors arguing (if they're 'real' loud), etc. etc. Conflict is everywhere.
Carol, I just left the link to your blog for Tony too, and Facebook turned it into a picture of your blog, and a sample of your last post before this. I don't know if you've seen it do that, but it's very cool.
Solar has generated 50 comments on his thread here, the exact same number that TM has right now for the day.
I ran across this, and want to link it before Ivy leaves, in case she checks in. We've been talking about bears and bear woman, so this caught my eye.
Bear attacks Colorado man inside his home
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090911/ap_on_re_us/us_colorado_bear_attack
Ok, I'm full and I'm talked out, so I'm going to get some things done. Thanks for a great thread Solar.
Boy, are we getting some rain here. Is it raining much there Chloe? River is still rising. I told one of my husbands next door to make sure they don't go too far because I might need them if that water continues to rise. I told them I wouldn't interfere with any of their partying if I can avoid it.
I saw a goose paddle by a minute ago. He seemed to be happy as a .....goose in rain.
I'm having to run to the house to do my wash. Have to put on my slicker and galoshes to go out. I lie, everyone knows we, here in Louisiana, don't need galoshes, we have webbed feet.
Girl in the Vietnam photo, 37 years later....
http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/09/11/37-years-later-girl-in-vietnam-war-photo-spreads-hope/?icid=main|main|dl7|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemondrop.com%2F2009%2F09%2F11%2F37-years-later-girl-in-vietnam-war-photo-spreads-hope%2F
Jan, if you want to get to this link, just highlight, copy and go to the top and paste.
Hey All,
So this is where you went Carol!! Nice Place!!
Thanks for the invite!
Solar,
Kicking ass,you so funny!
Chloe,
Tried to post my pic for this blog and it said the file is too large? Got any idea's on why?
Yeah, Tony is here! Tony you have to take up some slack for me while I'm away for a little while.
Hey Tony! Glad you're here. To post that picture here, we need to make sure that Carol sent you the special invitation to post the main post at the top of the page, and you can post your picture at the top. I think down here in the comments, you'd have link it like we do over at TM.
Once she sends you the invitation to contribute (the main post at top), if you need help figuring it out, just ask and we'll help you through it.
I'm so glad you here Tony. I hope we'll see a lot of you.
Tony Baloney,
Glad that you are finally here.
Im the only male here in the swamp, usually i would never complain, about it...but we can use you, and your input..thanks for the e-mail yesterday.
oops, Tony. Were you talking about your pic for the 'Followers'?
Solar,
My family is a product of "mixed marriage," frowned upon in the church of my upbringing. As a result, I learned from an early age to discount the messages from the pulpit and the front of the classroom about who was "good" and who was "bad." I learned to make my own judgments about people.
My mother wisely banned discussion of religion at our table. Her philosophy was (and remains), as long as you don't bother my way of worship, I won't bother yours. I have since learned there is a slogan for this. It's "Live and Let Live."
Here's a healing affirmation for your inner child.
"I belong in the world as I am."
O, and did you thank Chloe for me, for asking you to give me the encouragement..you both are great friends...
I have a new thread and photo for you all if you want it before I leave...?
http://ct-carolssouthernspice.blogspot.com/2009/09/cant-we-all-just-get-along.html?showComment=1252792789815#c5728902771308716117
Hi Ivy
Chloe,
Yes the follower's.Tried 2 different pic's,file is to large.Its the first time that's ever happened?
Ivy,
Thank you. I have made peace with myself about 25 years ago. I forgave my self. When I did this: I stopped drinking hard. Stopped smoking, I quite both cold turkey. If, and whenever I want to have a cpl of drinks,I just do. I'm not afraid of them, or anything else...I am more than comfortable with myself....not in a vain way...but I know who I am .!
Amazing journey, Solar! There are people in my life I pray will make it as you did.
I liked this affirmation too: "I am the source of validation for my inner child."
Yes before U go, we would like to see your new pics, and post. I don't know about your spider; but a lot of insects do a lot of things, according to where the sun is at the time.
Ants use the sun to get back home..I forgot how exactly, and will look into it...what they do is fascinating..
Ivy,
I realized that I had to forgive the people that I was so very hurt by (my father) I traveled to Mexico to do this..and then looked in the mirror for the first time, and took a good look..I forgave that scary dude to...
the rest has been catching up with the rest of the world...I like a lot of what the Vendetta teaches. and the philosophy of Spinoza. He has the closest conception of God that is even possible for me to accept...
Ivy,
I forgot to thank you for those affirmations...thank you.
Tony, We'll have to ask Carol about that followers pic. I think it's something that is uploaded into your google account, if that's what you signed in with. Then, anytime you go to a blog, and become a follower, your photo automatically goes with your google id, and will post with your name.
Ivy, Please do your post for us. I'd hate it if you left without posting it first.
I have a "bear thread" in light of Chloe's link about the bear attack in Colorado.
Perfect Ivy!
New thread is up...!
Chloe,
I tried going back to Google and adding the photo there,same thing.I also see my comment link didn't work above?
Hi Tony, glad you joined us. We all needed you. And I don't know why the pic won't work. Don't think I know any more about this site than ya'll do. You guys are probably more computer literate than I am.
Go for it Ivy. Let us know when you are ready.
I was off working on catching up on some CEUs and other things I've been procrastinating about. Nope, not the truck yet.
Tony, I still lurk at the Trail. I just haven't had anything profound to add lately. Probably never did.
Carol, it's up now.
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